补充一点：我们是去年5。1签的lease,今年5。1已经自动续约了，有lease,有房东的续约信。作者: yuqi 时间: 2003-5-9 13:58
just leave, they have the reason to terminate the lease.作者: chineseman2k 时间: 2003-5-9 14:31
why? 你有这方面的经历吗？多谢指导！
我羞耻我是“中国人”，妈的，什么吊民族！如果一个民族全是象楼下那几个垃圾，这个民族没救了，劣根！作者: Bob9999 时间: 2003-5-10 19:55
If I were you, I would not rent my apartment to you. You are so dangerous to my properties and your neighbors.作者: Bob9999 时间: 2003-5-10 19:56
If I were you, I would not rent my apartment to you. You are so dangerous to my properties and your neighbors. 作者: niceporridge 时间: 2003-5-10 21:35
chineseman2k兄,首先对你的精神兄弟表示钦佩.希望别人的话不会轻易左右你的想法.做下去,还是有人会支持你的.以我住的公寓为例,也有因为房客的烟头引发火警,并伴有明显的浓烟.她不还是住下去了么.我觉得,现在最紧要的是,让你的室友分别给邻居房东正式道个歉,不管最后走不走我想这应该是必要的.
有什么后续发展,贴出来我们大家一起想想办法.作者: ying826 时间: 2003-5-10 22:54
chineseman2k,我希望你仔细看一下下面的贴子，我只不过是说我对你的这场官司不看好，“不看好”的意思是不认为会有理想的结局，这一点汉语相信你能理解，没有任何冷嘲热讽或者其它恶意，要说我心里不以为然，那是有的。另外一个朋友说你马大哈，据我所知马大哈不是骂人，是批评人粗心的意思，上下看看，先开骂的是你，而且我相信大家都可以看出来先做错事情的也是你，你自己也知道是错的，只不过是想要一个所谓的错了以后的机会。至于拉到什么民族性云云，大可不必，你怎么不想想那些西人也许会觉得：“什么民族性啊！闹了火灾还要……”
我觉得没必要破口大骂，正所谓错上加错、一错再错。作者: sylvia334 时间: 2003-5-10 23:03
所有的房东都不要租房给这人,太危险了.作者: fyfmontreal 时间: 2003-5-11 00:52
我们都想帮一把,才回他的贴.可他不理解.
这个小弟弟.....没救了...作者: Bob9999 时间: 2003-5-11 06:57
Most-likely, you will not win the case. Then (1) your name will be recorded for at least 10 years by the Rental Board of Quebec and also goes to the black list of the Quebec Association of Owners. You will no longer rent any appartment in Quebec. No owner wants to take risk. (2) You should pay the legal fees for the owner of the appartment in which you are living.In Canada you cannot do what you want without limits.作者: chineseman2k 时间: 2003-5-11 09:43
你说的“黑名单”我认为不太对呀。我们去过租赁法庭，接待人员没有提到这样的东西，反而鼓励我们应诉。我认为逃避正当的法律诉讼，对自己正当的权益及责任都是不负责的行为。让法律来判断我们应该承受什么惩罚，我不介意，因为每个人都必须对自己的行为负责，同时也让法律来判断我们可以有什么权利，毕竟在过去的13个月，我们已经付了房东$5990的房租。
写封挂号信给业主，解释一下当时的情形，告诉他当时的情形和你们已经采取的补救措施，最后谢谢他们的理解，并保证今后不再犯错。当时烟雾报警器响了没有？没有的话也写上。不要提及道歉和赔偿。任何小小的火灾，如果有保险公司介入的话，都会导致保费大幅度的提高，你愿意赔偿几千块吗？而且有可能损失现有的和潜在的租户，你赔得起码？写信的目的不是要求业主的原谅，而是给法官（仲裁员）看的，表明你是 play in good faith，这点很重要。
祝你好运！！作者: rongchen 时间: 2003-5-13 12:54
Go to the court. Even if you didnot win, you would have good life experience. Money comes and goes. The experience would always be yours. (You may publish a story later - A Chinese Tenant's Fire). Accident happens. The fire was only an accident. And because of this accident, you are becoming more careful and therefore less dangerous to the landlord.
Good luck.作者: Paramount 时间: 2003-5-13 13:27
hi,
If you want to stay, try to negotiate with yr landlord. If go to the rental board, (note that, for ALL renting problems, there is no way to go the court in Qc., and the rental borad is the only place to settle down these kind of disagreements.) both you and the landloard risking to pay extra charge there. If you go to the rental board, they first ask you to try settle down between yourselves.
But, the landlord DO have the right to ask you to leave if he received complains from the neighbours. You have to consider how your neighbour towards you. Better talk with them. Usually kindly talking solves many problems. If you can convince your neighbor, and prove their acceptance to yr landlord, you probably can stay.
In additional, try to improve yr cooking skill. I see a lot fire alarm due to unproper cooking. try not make oil too hot and try don't make heavy smell as well.
I think it is good to post what ever the problem you encountered on the web for advising and discussion. THERE'S ALWAYS a BETTER WAY to SOLVE a PROBLEM.作者: chineseman2k 时间: 2003-5-13 18:33
我和我的roommate从来没有试图为自己做无过错辩解，相反，从一开始我们就承认自己有错误。
The so-called black list does exist and is used very often by the owners before making a decision to rent or not rent his appartment to someone. You need know more about the system.
Win or not win does not matter to me. But your experience may be useful to many other Chinese people in Montreal.作者: xzaa 时间: 2003-5-13 20:21
chineseman2k
我想,通过协商解决,并争取房东,邻居对你们的谅解应该是比赢得一场法庭胜利更为重要的作者: sylvia334 时间: 2003-5-13 20:25
各位，请不要盗用我的名字，是哪位在下面盗用sylvia334发的言，不要雪上加霜，多一些安慰给遇到麻烦的同胞。chineseman2000，好好准备，事情总会解决的，祝好运。作者: peterpan1668 时间: 2003-5-13 20:38
Hi, Chineseman2k: If you need help, call me: 514 343 9054 Peter
Good Luck!作者: jli 时间: 2003-5-13 23:39
Chineseman2k,
You will win for sure. I will bet anything for that. The reason is very very simple. If the judgement is that you are are too dangerous to live there than you will be same dangeous to another building or landlord. That means no body should rent you a place. No judge dares to make that statement. An accident is an accident. It does not prove you are dangeous later on to the building or landlord no matter how many people put their signatures on the paper.
Regie is very much in favor of tenant, not the landlord. By the way, even if you do not like the judgement you could appeal to the provincial court (in Longueil, a lawer is needed). But I really do not think you or ur landlord could go that far. You landlord is trying to scare you off that is it and that is all.
Don't panic, sleep tight. not worry a thing. There is never, ever a judgement like "you have to leave in 24h" in Quebec.
an old imm. and landlord作者: daisyqian 时间: 2003-5-13 23:42
就这么一点要求,还不能的话,再不斗争,我们是饭桶.
只有进了,才能退.息事宁人,任人宰割,到哪里都受人欺负
人不可能不犯错误,但我们有申诉,解释,道歉和赢得别人理解和谅解的权力,谁要连这权力也把我们剥脱了,非跟他干不可.
但也要掌握艺术,手段.
朋友
我支持你作者: WINDOW 时间: 2003-5-14 03:24
如果你认为自己真是无辜的，那么试着说服邻居吧。也许可以坏事变好事。
我认为只要能达不搬出去的目的，有的要讲些策略，不能硬碰硬。作者: yide 时间: 2003-5-14 12:04
其实这件事情的本身----得是否去应诉并没有什么大不了的,但作为一个同胞来讲,我不会去冷嘲热讽,落井下石地去看自己人的好笑,我不能要求别人都做到,但我会去尽我一份力的.当有人问路我会指点;有人微笑,我也会;有人陷入困境,我会帮助的.作者: peterpan1668 时间: 2003-5-14 23:14
From this topic, I found a warm and caring at our Chinese society. I wish my all the best for these our real Chinese MEN. If our society have more people like this, for sure in some day, our Chinese community would like Jewish and Black communities out standing and support each other in order to let us living a better life as the others.作者: duoxie 时间: 2003-5-15 13:18
Chinaman2k,
just do as Cofi stated. What he/she said can not be right any more!!
You are a girl, aren't you?
Why so much to say? Just say thank you to all.作者: tongtong 时间: 2003-5-23 23:21
Chinaman2k,
Don't give up, fight for your right!
I have much serious problem with my landlord. I got a lot of good advices. you can go
-Project Genesis
4735 Cote-Ste-Catherince
Tel: 738-2036
or
-Arnold Bennett's Housing Hotline
Tel: 488-0412/990-0190
I am sure you can get useful advices to fight for youself.
Good luck!作者: nay 时间: 2003-5-26 21:31
这里的房屋仲裁委员会一般是保护房客的利益的，应该据理力争，
不应受房东的欺负。作者: 33739 时间: 2003-6-8 11:03
准备搬家吧，赢的希望很小，这不是权益的问题，是生活习惯的问题，鬼老对我们中国人的生活方式不很了解。按照鬼老的推论，我们中国人就象从蛮慌之地来的。
搬家，同时同房东交涉，希望他撤诉。不要在rental board留下记录。作者: willian 时间: 2003-6-29 12:49
我将尽我所能去支持chineseman2k,同时请fyfmontreal滚出去（他是SB).作者: MDorval 时间: 2003-6-29 13:33
没有碰到这种情况的都别在那儿瞎出主意, 凭空想象!
为什么不直接打电话问房屋租赁委员会?
