标题: 吃闯红灯罚单上法庭值得吗？ [打印本页] 作者: Hansol 时间: 2002-5-18 22:35 标题: 吃闯红灯罚单上法庭值得吗？ 吃闯红灯罚单上法庭值得吗？
刚才回家右转弯接着黄灯即将结束时冲了过去，结果右边有一警察截住了，开了罚单，138$，怎么解释也没用。
我已经开车两年，这是头一次。以前也交过非法停车的罚单，都交了。这次实在是接受不了。
在这里请教一下上法庭值得吗？有赢的把握没？法庭费用好象是六七十元，赢了就不交，输了当然得交了。
俺以前的交通纪律没有污点啊。作者: mingliao 时间: 2002-5-19 02:26
照你所讲的情况你一定会输的!!!跑不掉.下次别闯红灯了. wink wink作者: QC 时间: 2002-5-19 10:13
我有过同样的经历，只是当时自己的态度好，警察只是口头给了警告没有给罚单。如果你拿不出你没有闯红灯的充分证据，上法庭你输的可能很大。如果上法庭，建议你参考一下： 魁北克民事法庭亲历记 。作者: Hansol 时间: 2002-5-19 10:17
我是跟着前面的车一起右转弯的，当时街道没有其它车辆，是在黄灯即将消失的时候转的。之后看见一警车本来是从对面开来，那女警察来个U TURN，从后面追上了我。
如果有40%的获胜机会，俺也想选择上法庭，顶多再付70$？
哪位以前上过有关法庭的交流一下经验？嘿嘿。 作者: Hansol 时间: 2002-5-19 10:22
谢谢QC，我的态度也很好啊，还说自己是学生，车也是二手的，可没办法。那女的还很年轻，太残酷了。 :mad:作者: Hansol 时间: 2002-5-19 10:32
从那文章看，超速罚单+诉讼费+七七八八=近300元。
罚单仅$75，怎么诉讼费和7788的费用那么多？
他超速75，我闯红灯就138？可能是涨价了？
如果上庭仅花费百元内还值得冒险，若太多只好忍气吞声了。 :mad: :mad: :mad: 作者: wang8 时间: 2002-5-19 11:18
if you win your case, you end up paying nothing. if you lose, you pay the ticket and the court fee ($70 or so).
if you want to present yourself, go ahead and try. i went to court twice for speeding ticket, and i win both of them. once the crown went to the appeal court, so i did cross examing three times. awful feeling after the wining... my excuse is that they are focus on luxury cars and i am not speeding, i question the accuracy of their radar gun, discrimination, prejudice...all those s*hit... the thing is to make the judge believe you are an honest guy.
good luck!作者: cremazie 时间: 2002-5-19 12:25
请问wang8开多少算超速?,如果市区最大50km/hour,那么每个人都超速.作者: wang8 时间: 2002-5-19 13:08
even zone has its own limit.
if there is no speed limit sign in the city, then its a 50km/hour zone. on the hightway, if there is no sign, then the speedlimit is 100/h.
in a school zone, the speed limit is 30/h.
as a universal understanding, policy won't stop you if you drive only 20k/h over the limit.作者: Hansol 时间: 2002-5-19 21:24
想打官司，看看这儿的法庭是什么样的？
我还是有道理的，黄灯还没灭时我转的，中间又不能停。作者: wang8 时间: 2002-5-19 22:45
go, hansol, you have nothing to lose. great experience and you will have fun!作者: mingliao 时间: 2002-5-20 02:12
让我告诉你为何你输定的吧,因为你是在右转弯过程中你的车必定正在减速过程中(刹车中)或者车速比效慢,而你在末到弯角前己是黄灯亮了,在这种情况下法官(警察)认为你应该要停车等待的,而你是转弯过了,刚好警车又在路口处看到你,这些情况对警察是十分有利的,所以你输的机会有90%.如果是直行的车则不会吃罚单的,因为直行过路口时车一般是不减速的,而且直行的车速也效快些,所以本人认为你输的机会很大.本市常有人像你这样开车闯红灯的,只要不让警察抓住就没事,我也试过为了超速罚单($135)上过法庭赢了,因为有个警察朋友指点一下就赢了,但是也要交上庭费$25,(97年)你现在的罚单己算不多了,如是真正闯红灯的话是要罚$200再扣去3分.以后小心为上,如果你要坚持去上法庭也就去试下能否赢得了,先祝你好运!如能赢了记得对我们说一声,也好让我们学习学习.作者: Hansol 时间: 2002-5-20 20:57
mingliao,谢谢你的解释，再来看看我的理由。
1- 我是黄灯将灭时右转弯，在安省红灯都可以右转弯，魁省就那么严格？听说本省某些地方，可能不包括本市也即将实行，或已经实行了。
2- 当时是晚九点多，没有几俩车，对面更是没有车。
3- 警察是从右面开过来的，也就是和我转弯后是对面开来。我在后视镜中看到它掉头追我。她说从她那个方向看见是绿灯，所以我这边应该是红灯。她不是在路口，至少有100米，向路口开来。
4-我跟她和蔼地解释是黄灯将灭，我是穷学生，她也可以看到是旧车，可没有用啊。我感到她是凑数，完成指标。
5-我若是找朋友给我证明我平时开车一向守法，不知有用没？
所以你说我就真输定了？？？？？？？？
另外要请教你：为何你那次赢了还要交25？只是奇怪，不是不交吗？当然不管怎么样，还是赢了好。驾驶记录也很重要啊，俺又要买保险了。作者: skytrue 时间: 2002-5-21 14:52
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That depends on which region you are. Some regions you will win, some not.
Most importantly, if the police who stopped you isn't in the court, then you'll have much chance to win, you just emphasis that it isn't red light, it's absolutely yellow (even end of green one!). If that police is there, then chance is little for you, except there is somebody beside you when you was stopped and he said it's yellow, not red, you could still win then.
I won also once with speed ticket and I paid nothing. It was my first ticket and I was very lucky because in the court, I even didn't say one word and judge told me "You won". I am in Saint-Laurent.
Good luck!作者: wang8 时间: 2002-5-21 23:31
nothing sure until the judgement is final. here is the thing you can argue:
1) you slowed down when you turn left
2) there is a car behind you and its very close to you. and if you stop, it will likely to crush.
3) you have no idea where that police car come from. maybe he is too far away to do the accurate obsevation
4) maybe the traffic light is not right.
5) you have very good driving record, and you are a driver keeps safty in mind all the time.
6) you explain the situation to the police when she stoped you, but she wouldn't listen and that's why you bring the issue to the court
7) you don't care about the consequences, you just want justice to be served
....
this kind of bullshitting can carry on and on. if you are a good talker, you will win.作者: skytrue 时间: 2002-5-22 09:47
提示: 作者被禁止或删除 内容自动屏蔽作者: xulao 时间: 2002-5-22 13:22
One more thing: you HAVE to remember what you said to the polic when stopped. If you confessed, said i am sorry.... and begged her... well, it might be the evidence against you.
Poice may not show up, or the city loses your file (which does happen once a while).
My experience: parking/snowremoving tickets are easy to fight(which i have not lost once). Speeding/red-light/stopsign tickets are difficult. I only won once against a stopsign ticket, and anther one, a red-light crossing on Guy in front of Dr.Bethun statue(as a guy said, going straight W-E).
Your case seems to be not worth finghting. If you really want to, do you remember there was one or two police in the car? Did you HAPPEN to have someone you know waiting for you at the cornor that moment? good luck.作者: mingliao 时间: 2002-5-22 13:42
Hansol:
我忘记了那25元上庭费不是在这次超速案上交的,你说的对,97年那次赢了就不用交任何钱,那25元是在另一次LA SALLE市搞错其它人的罚单而追到本人头上,我还要交25元上庭费来呈清那张罚单不是本人的,因为自己清楚记得那1年从末开车进入过LASALLE市的,原来警察写罚单时错把H写成Y了,写字太了草,所以LA SALLE市府不见有人交罚款来时就按车牌号码追到本人头上了.作者: mingliao 时间: 2002-5-22 14:09
Hansol .
很可惜你的那几条理由都没有用帮不了你的.
1- 我是黄灯将灭时右转弯，在安省红灯都可以右转弯，魁省就那么严格？听说本省某些地方，可能不包括本市也即将实行，或已经实行了。
*这里是讲法则的,本市未实行就等于你没有理由了.*
2- 当时是晚九点多，没有几俩车，对面更是没有车。
*这些对你一点帮助也没有.*
3- 警察是从右面开过来的，也就是和我转弯后是对面开来。我在后视镜中看到它掉头追我。她说从她那个方向看见是绿灯，所以我这边应该是红灯。她不是在路口，至少有100米，向路口开来。
*这些对警察有很不的帮助.*
4-我跟她和蔼地解释是黄灯将灭，我是穷学生，她也可以看到是旧车，可没有用啊。我感到她是凑数，完成指标。
*这些是你自己的事和情况,对法官没影响.*
5-我若是找朋友给我证明我平时开车一向守法，不知有用没？
*这些对你也没有帮助,开车一向守法是每个市民应该做的.*
***只有一种情况对你有帮助,就是警察截住你时她可有同事在身傍,(同在警车内)而你当时可有证人在你身傍(车内坐着),如果她没有,而你有的话,那就是非常对你利,那你赢的机会大增了.***good luck!作者: wang8 时间: 2002-5-22 20:15
don't you think we all overreacted? i think we all deserve a title "bbs attorny"作者: Hansol 时间: 2002-5-24 16:28
警察和我都没有证人同车。我跟警察解释我是黄灯亮着的时候转弯的，她不听，只让我回车里面等着接罚单。
还是想上法庭，希望各位提供争取取胜的措施。
总觉得对右转弯不应该象直行过路口那么严格。
女警察除非说她看到我的车头刚转弯时，她那个方向已经是绿灯才能证明我是闯红灯的。我看她太年轻，没经验。作者: Hansol 时间: 2002-5-24 17:03
那位朋友谢谢您的EMAIL，我已经回了。
但是实际上我当时对警察说，我过时是黄灯。因
为若是绿灯时开始转弯，即使转过来后也不是红灯。我荺n后面还有两辆车。
我可以说我后面还有车，警察也看不到，因为她还没到牡酱锫房诰蚒 -TURN转回来追我。作者: mingliao 时间: 2002-5-25 00:24
Hansol:
你讲-"女警察除非说她看到我的车头刚转弯时，她那个方向已经是绿灯才能证明我是闯红灯的。我看她太年轻，没经验"
我认为--她在上庭时一定会这样说的,而且在双方都没有证人的情况下法官大都会相信女警察的证词,请原谅我的直言,本人只是按在本市多年的经验来帮你分析,我也赞同你去上庭.希望你能赢得了,何时才能上庭呢?如果那天我有时间也可以陪你去,看看能否帮助到你. eek!作者: kevin333 时间: 2002-5-25 01:50
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mingliao,thanks for your advice. I got the ticket on May 18,ten days ago. Probably I will get a letter soon. Will inform you here the court date. Wish more people would like to join me for the court,backing me and getting experiences at the same time.作者: mingliao 时间: 2002-6-7 14:48
Hansol
如果你己有了上庭的准确时间和地址,请提前10天发邮件到本人的Mail box内通知我,我会和你一齐去上庭支持你的.mignliao331@hotmail.com.作者: mingliao 时间: 2002-6-7 14:50
写错E-Mail地址了,应该是liaoming331@hotmail.com作者: VShare 时间: 2002-6-8 21:20
You may need to pay more. Last year I won a same case, but I still had to pay 159$ (60$ for yellow light and 99$ for the court fee)作者: Hansol 时间: 2002-6-9 20:08
谢谢Mingliao,但根据VShare的经历，若赢了官司还得付那么多，这官司打起来就没意思了。我的罚单是138$，若付出70$左右的法庭费，输了只是多出这70还无所谓，赢了按原来的说法不用付出罚单和出庭费还值得一试。
请有最近经历的朋友给解释一下。当然在我收到信件后会打电话给他们询问一下。
那女警给开的也太狠了，138$啊，TOO MUCH FOR ME。作者: Hansol 时间: 2002-6-24 13:48
Still haven't got any letter concerning the ticket. Mingliao,could you verify what VShare says please? Thanks!作者: mingliao 时间: 2002-6-25 10:50
Hansol
Si tu ne sais pas anglais,pourquoi tu vas encore a la cour.Alors vas pluto payer la rancon.
Si tu ne sais pas lire l angais de l autre (VShare) a ecrire, paye quel un pour te traduire qu est ce que tu ne comprent pas. Je ne vais plus te traduire.Au revoir. 作者: mingliao 时间: 2002-6-25 11:07 You may need to pay more
