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作者: swanson 时间: 2001-12-30 22:28
标题: 哪位对这里的酒有研究？
新年到了，有些馋酒了，今天路过SAQ，看好象是专门经销酒类产品的，进去逛了一圈，真的都不知道是什么东西，还好多数都标着酒精含量，看了几个白色的怀疑是WINE的酒精含量都在40%左右，价钱大概是20刀左右，小瓶的10刀以上。好象就是沃得嘎一类的酒，没试过。哪位酒友熟悉给介绍一下，哪种白酒比较象国内的酒啊？比如类似二锅头的？
20多刀够买一箱啤酒的了。
另外酒的税也是15%吗？

作者: wang8 时间: 2001-12-31 10:04
try Tequila. made in mexico, many chinese like it.
beer? canadian beer you can get from Metro or IGA, much cheaper. sqa only sells imported beer, like tsingtao .... $20 or so can buy a 12 pak.
yes, you have to pay tax for alcohol

作者: wang8 时间: 2001-12-31 10:09
the one you mentioned is not wine. wine only has 12% alcohol.

作者: mailing 时间: 2001-12-31 14:34
酒上標的價錢已經含Tax﹐不需要再加。我大概知道有一般的葡萄酒(wine)﹐ brandy, wisky, conganiac(忘了具體的名字﹐酒瓶上有)的系列有V.S.,V.S.O., V.S.O.P, HENNYSE, X.O......, 具體的你可以咨詢賣酒的﹐他們會具體給你解釋。Happy New Year.

作者: swanson 时间: 2002-1-1 13:53
多谢二位，长了不少知识。呵呵，过年一定去试试。：）

作者: montrealpost 时间: 2007-6-17 09:15
标题: 寻1或3人, 一起买自灌 Borolo红葡萄酒
寻1人, 合买一桶自灌Borolo红葡萄酒。每人14瓶。一桶酒 =~$~92.71 = 28x750ml 瓶酒, +空的酒瓶@~$0.65。每人~$46.36+自己的空酒瓶, 或加酒瓶钱。

如果有3人, 合买2桶自灌酒, Borolo + 一个不同的口味(Valpolicella或Chianti; 有30多个味道选择)。一样每人14瓶。

需要预付金钱, 然后等4到6个星期灌酒瓶。如果您从未购买自灌酒或家里自酿酒, 我无法与您合买酒。Borolo 不适合第一次的买家。请留下您的电话号码/eMail (和您是否有汽車) 或发我PM 。

我不是卖酒的, 请不要问我问题, 您自己查寻; 请不要害我的贴子给网管删除。谢谢!

作者: chenu 时间: 2007-6-21 10:01
想买,请联系:samuel-sino@hotmail.com

作者: montrealpost 时间: 2007-6-29 06:59
Sorry for the delay, please check eMail. The $20 off sales will be over soon. Nice day to all!

作者: gardenbinbin 时间: 2007-9-15 16:43
标题: 如何酿制葡萄酒
院子里的葡萄丰收。请问哪一位知道如何酿制葡萄酒。能不能给我方子。谢谢了。

作者: lolo 时间: 2007-9-15 17:24
标题: 自酿红葡萄酒
自酿红葡萄酒

材料:

红葡萄:1000克, 冰糖:200克

做法:

1.葡萄洗净,弃去烂粒,风干表皮的水份.取一个有盖的容器,洗净,风干里面的水份.备用.

2.将每一颗葡萄捏碎,放置容器当中,加入冰糖,盖上盖.放在干净处发酵7-10天.中间,每天打开盖,看一下,可用干净匙子搅动.

3.发酵好的葡萄酒,先把葡萄渣滓捞起,稍稍压干汁.再把葡萄酒用过滤纸,过滤三次以上.用漏斗装入瓶中,密封,置冰箱内储存.

特别提示:

1.葡萄的份量与冰糖的份量比例,始终是5:1.葡萄的品质直接关系到酿出来的酒的品质.所以,选葡萄的时候,尽量选择水份多,皮色深的葡萄.

2.葡萄洗后,一定要表皮风干至无水,如果表皮水份未干就捏碎,那极有可能在发酵的过程当中长出白毛,那样就是酿制失败的表现.必须倒掉.所以,容器也要非常的干净.

3.发酵用的容器个人觉得最好选择瓷质或是玻璃的.
如果容器的盖子是可以拧紧的,那么,千万,不要拧紧它.以免葡萄在发酵的过程中,产生大量气体,而导致容器爆炸.我选择的是一个从未使用过的炖锅,只是在外面松松的盖了一张保鲜膜.

4.一般上来说,在北半球,夏天是做葡萄酒的最好季节.30º C以上的天气,7天左右就可以.气温稍低一些,可以适当延长日子.肉眼观察,只要看到葡萄呈现皮与肉分离的现象,肉差不多化掉.就可以说做好了.这个度可以自己把握.

5.葡萄酒最好是过滤三次以上.可以用滤油纸.如果渣滓太多,它在瓶中还是会产生气泡.而且,清彻的酒水,看起来,也会漂亮很多.一般上,好象17º C是储存葡萄酒的最佳温度.象我在新加坡这种天气,没处找这种存储温度,所以,最好的方法就是放入冰箱.而放入冰箱,它本身也不会再继续发酵了.

6.葡萄酒刚酿出来的时候,酒精的度数比较高.所以,一般上储存两个星期或是更长一点的时间.酒的口感会更好.

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作者: montrealpost 时间: 2008-3-20 13:06
Didn't want to discourage anyone last year . . . . .
- >90% of grapes in Quebec are eating grapes, make awful wine.
- University of ? has developed few ~hybride :p  grapes that can be grown in Quebec
- These 'new' grape varietals can be purchased from a few places
- Believe a number of Wineries in Quebec are selling these wine already.

Theoretically, it'll takes ~4 years for your plant to mature.  U'll only get ~1 bottle per plant @~4th year.  After that . . . . . . ha ha . . . . . many many more bottles . . . . .

When I remember/find name of University/place(s) that u can buy the baby plants, I'll post it here.
Happy 1st day of Spring

作者: montrealpost 时间: 2008-7-16 12:45
From: http://www.sinoquebec.com/bbs/showthread.php?t=545245:

Post by vana
. . . . . 我的酿法是跟意大利人学的，酒庄里的传统酿法。用优选的葡萄直接榨碎发酵。除了葡萄不添加任何东西，酵母也不用。因为是自己喝，所以也不用稳定剂，个人感觉这样更健康一些，酒的味道更纯正。
工艺就是弄碎葡萄，酒池发酵，过滤装桶，装瓶。我用的自然沉淀法，装瓶后，酒很清澈。下层的酒有可能会有些沉淀，如果你比较讲究，还可以在装瓶前增加过滤工艺，这样能保证清澈。

Post by 童趣社
我们也是用这个方法自己酿的，口感很好，已经教了不少朋友这样做。

装瓶后可以放到冰箱，这样保存的时间要长些。但是放得太长味道也会稍微有变化，酒味更浓。

这种酒喝起来跟气水差不多，但后劲很足，不过不上脑，还是很不错的。

具体做法是将买回来的葡萄洗净、凉干（只需把表面水份凉干，不是凉成葡萄干），弄碎葡萄（有朋友是挤裂而已，但个人经验是用搅拌机打碎最好），放入玻璃罐子内密封。如想喝“气水”可稍微加糖，10：1的比例（10磅葡萄1磅糖）。我只用20：1的比例，太甜也不好，不放糖口感也不好。室温下保存25天即可开封。一定要用沙布或煲汤袋狠狠的挤葡萄渣，因为大部分的水分都在渣里。倒入稍大的空器里静置一天沉淀。沉淀后倒入酒瓶即可饮用。切记，要把开封的酒放入冰箱，这样可以最大限度地保证酒的味道不受破坏。

天然又可口，而且简单易行，欢迎大家尝试。

作者: xiyuanfans 时间: 2008-7-16 12:51

Post by montrealpost
Didn't want to discourage anyone last year . . . . .
- >90% of grapes in Quebec are eating grapes, make awful wine.
- University of ? has developed few ~hybride :p grapes that can be grown in Quebec
- These 'new' grape varietals can be purchased from a few places
- Believe a number of Wineries in Quebec are selling these wine already.

Theoretically, it'll takes ~4 years for your plant to mature. U'll only get ~1 bottle per plant @~4th year. After that . . . . . . ha ha . . . . . many many more bottles . . . . .

When I remember/find name of University/place(s) that u can buy the baby plants, I'll post it here.
Happy 1st day of Spring

要喝酒，先从种葡萄开始，MP你真难为人。
不过，若有好的葡萄来酿酒，的确什么都不加就很棒了

作者: montrealpost 时间: 2008-7-16 12:59

Post by xiyuanfans
. . . . 若有好的葡萄来酿酒，的确什么都不加就很棒了

有, boxes of 酿酒葡萄 ~Sept/October:
- Jean Talon Market, +
- ~ 2 places on Metropolitain Est, + (~St. Leaonard)
- ~ 1 on Jean Talon Est. (~St. Leaonard)
- there must be more that I don't know

Don't stay on web now, summer is short . . . . :p (reply in Chinese preferred, me no type Chinese la

)

"要喝酒，先从种葡萄开始，MP你真难为人。" ==> 破axe 沉boat!! ~$0 cost for life :p

作者: 121606 时间: 2008-7-16 14:27

Post by montrealpost

"要喝酒，先从种葡萄开始，MP你真难为人。" ==> 破axe 沉boat!! ~$0 cost for life :p

破axe 沉boat!!
请问如何破axe, 用什么去破. 我看还是破 WOK 比较实用和容易成功.

作者: montrealpost 时间: 2008-7-16 15:07
121真坏!!

Web translator didn't give me the words. 害我开inputking, axe is 釜 ma!! 破釜沉舟 ah, 坏蛋!! :mad:
要洗盘子了, 再见!

作者: montrealpost 时间: 2008-7-25 13:41
标题: Growing wine making grapes at home
Haven't found the one I'm looking for, it should be something developed by University of Laval or ? in Quebec?? For now:

Cold Climate Grape Varieties
http://www.quebecwines.com/qw_coldclimategrapes.php

Cold hardy grape vines developed by the University of Minnesota:
http://www.voloacanursery.com/

Whatever QWA can grow, u should be able to grow in your yard.
http://www.winesofquebec.com/wineries/vignoble.php?id=47

Don't have patient to search anymore, whoever come across nursery that sell the baby vines, post it here.

作者: montrealpost 时间: 2008-7-25 13:52
A wholesale, not sure if they retail. Not sure if there's anything besides Seyval.
http://www.horticlick.com/portal ... =AAAHsdAAGAAAANoAAO

Following is the best place to shop for grape vines:
http://littlefatwino.com/breaultE.html

Wine Grape Production Outside Traditional Areas in Ontario, interesting reading for grower:
http://www.omafra.gov.on.ca/engl ... /info_grapeprod.htm

Technical document on cold hardy wine grapes, don't think any of u will be interested.
http://www.dogwoodtreevineyards. ... all%20varieties.pdf

作者: montrealpost 时间: 2008-7-25 15:54
Remember:  the best wine from cold climate variety will always be a blend of 3-6 different varieties.
Believe we are in 4b "region".  http://www.littlefatwino.com/grgenetics.htm

Red: Frontenac, ES 5-17, Sabrevois, MN1211 (coming: MN1200  .  .  .)

White: Frontenac Gris, La Crescent, Swenson White, Louise Swenson, ES6-16-30  .  .  .

1st harvest in the 3rd year.  1 mature vine gives u ~1x750ml bottle.  White wines age ~6mth, red ~18mth.

* Ice wine in Quebec only started last few years, not sure variety. U can grow + make your ice wine.
(I don't know how to press the juice

, but wine making process is identical to all table wine.)

作者: lllljjjj 时间: 2008-7-25 23:31
我家的葡萄也快熟了。想问一下，葡萄树的种植要领和过冬。

作者: montrealpost 时间: 2008-7-30 13:14
对不起，我不知道。 :p

- 查查下面的网站，看是否有相关的信息。
- 如果有人知道，请帮忙回答。
Nice summer!

作者: montrealpost 时间: 2008-10-2 09:38
标题: 圣诞节Costco Wine Kit, 造红/白葡萄酒 - 自酿~$1/瓶, 代酿~$2.5/瓶
The last day of sales on Wine KitS will be Oct. 5(Sun).  Those of u who want to have wine ready for x'mas need to start now.  U will not find any wine kit at Costco till next sales, may be end Nov. or Feb, 09.

***  These are LOW END wine kits, but better than most supermarket wine. ***

There are 2 manufactuerers, sold at different Coctco:

A.  Paklab at Central Market, http://www.paklabproducts.com/pa ... .East.Fall.2008.pdf
*** Do not buy the "better ones" in bucket, they all require 1 year aging.  Almost undrinkable if not aged. ***
e.g. 1 Merlot+1 Cab. Sauvignon, ~11-12% alcohol, ~$64.99-$15(discount)+7.5% of $64.99 ~=$55 for 60 bottles.

B.  Argentia Ridge at Brossard/Bridge/West Island, http://www.argentiaridge.com/cgi ... =yes&news_id=27
*** Their wine kits has more body than Paklab., I recommend u to find a friend to split the 2 kits ***
e.g. 2  Merlot, ~12-13% alcohol, ~$69.99-$14(discount)+7.5% of $69.99 ~=$61 for 60 bottles.

All Costco wine kits include corkS, caps +labels.

作者: montrealpost 时间: 2008-10-2 09:44
I only have time to give u information, WILL NOT organize any making wine together thingie like 2 years ago.

For any question on wine making, go and ask John

@ http://sinoquebec.com/bbs/showthread.php?t=545245

For info. on 代酿酒, I'm only aware of 1 place that's willing to do it in Montreal. I need a volunteer to help me PM address. (I assume it's not allowed on Sino. ? advertisement conspiracy? :confused: :confused: )

Please don't PM me any question, just ask it here.

作者: montrealpost 时间: 2008-10-2 09:52
Those of u who are interested in these products, please subscribe yourself on their mailing list ON THEIR WEB SITE, to receive eMail on upcoming sales.

*** They call it Sales/Road Show - in reality, u can only buy those kits during that period of time. Go a few days after it begins, as sometimes it takes Costco people a few days before putting kits on the floor. Once sales is over, everything is shipped back to manufacturers ***

Those of u who go to Central Market, see if there is CD. Sometimes the manufacturer hand out free wine making video on CD during Road Show.

作者: montrealpost 时间: 2008-10-3 14:58
Reminding those who are interested: U need to buy your wine kit at Costco coming Sunday or before. By Monday, they'll remove everything.

Nice weekend!

作者: youngn 时间: 2008-10-5 06:45
thanks.今天上班又来不及了:cool:

作者: montreal_chi 时间: 2008-10-5 08:11
感兴趣，但没有搞懂，当时只是买corkS, caps +labels吗.什莫时候拿到酒，等酿好后才拿，还是当时就拿，一次买60瓶，有人愿意share吗

作者: montrealpost 时间: 2008-10-6 15:18
"当时只是买corkS, caps +labels吗" ==> NO! 当时(at Costco)只是买 wine kit.
"什莫时候拿到酒，等酿好后才拿" = 代酿

A.  自酿
1.  Buy wine kit from Costco
2.  Bring it home to do it yourself
3.  U need wine making equipment (~$50-100)
(for info on where to buy equipment, read John000's http://sinoquebec.com/bbs/showthread.php?t=545245)
(for video on home wine making @ http://www.rjspagnols.com/resource/wine_making.asp

B.  代酿
1.  Buy wine kit from Costco
2.  Bring it to wine making store that provide Brew on Premise(BOP service)
3.  Pay them service charge right away, sign 代酿 contract
4.  They'll call u in 4-6 weeks to go back to store with your empty bottles to do bottling yourself (takes about 30-60 minutes)
(MAKE SURE your wine kit BOX is in good shape, else they will NOT make it for u.  Paklab's packing is OK, Argentia Ridge packing will fall apart right after u tear open the plastic wrapping)

Just remember 1 more BOP, the one in Lasalle charge $35/batch(=28 bottles), the one on Hwy20/St. Jean charge $45/batch(=31 bottles, corks included). Difference is just MORE vs. LESS water.  I think they'll charge u same price even if u bring your own corks, check with them yourselves.

作者: montrealpost 时间: 2008-10-17 08:15
标题: Argentia Ridge, Oct. 20- Nov. 9, 2008
I'm surprised to received following notification, back-to-back sales has never happened before. Paste below.
(Those who are interested, please register yourself on their website, I may not continue to post info)

BACK BY POPULAR DEMAND - Instant Rebate Coupon Event - October 20 to November 9, 2008
Hello,

We are glad to announce our Second Costco Fall 2008 “Instant Rebate Coupon" event. This is another excellent opportunity to save $14.00 * on our Chateau Private Selection twin packs from October 20 to November 9, 2008 . Below you will find the participating Costco warehouses for this event.

“Instant Rebate Event”
Dates: October 20 to November 9, 2008
Participating Costco warehouses (Quebec)
Anjou, Quebec
Boisbriand, Quebec
Brossard, Quebec
Candiac, Quebec
Montreal, Qc (rue Bridge)
Pointe-Claire, Quebec
Québec, Quebec
Sherbrooke, Quebec
Ste-Foy, Quebec
St-Hubert, Quebec
St Jerome, Quebec *

The following items will be available during our Costco “Instant Rebate Event” :

CHÂTEAU PRIVATE SELECTION 4 WEEK 7L WINE KITS
- Classic Merlot
- Classic Shiraz *(available only at participating Costco stores)
- Classic Chardonnay
*The $14.00 savings will be applied at the cash register.
Please join us for this special offering. We very much appreciate your patronage. Thank you.

*COSTCO MEMBERS PLEASE NOTE: DATES ARE SUBJECT TO CHANGE WITHOUT NOTICE!

作者: montrealpost 时间: 2008-12-18 09:08
标题: X'mas Wine (圣诞酒：惊+喜！)
Just bottled my Christmas wine, Argentia Ridge Shiraz.  In Quebec, only sold at St Jerome Costco.
Cost $69.99-$14Discount+$5.25QST for 2 kits, ~$1.04 per 750ml bottle.
Replacement cost @~$10, but NOT FOR SALE.

When bottling, the wine tasted completely water down and off dry = I could taste water + sugar.  It broke my heart!!  :frown:  :frown:  :frown:  Bottom of carboy poured through funnel into a beer bottle with easy cap.  Drank that at supper, completely changed into a mellow nice wine, sufficient body.

==> Lesson learned:  this particular batch needs decanting (at least when drunk young).

Decanting is required for old good wine to: (pour slowly)
- "filter" settlement,
- help open up the bouquet

Decanting can also be done to young wine to: (pour quickly, bottle bottom up)
- open up bouquet,
- add ~1year of aging to new wine.("specialists" said that, not me)

This ends my experiments on basic Costco wine kits, from now on Blending, ha!!
(other experimentS done, may start new postings on Cooking forum WHEN I find time.)

作者: montrealpost 时间: 2008-12-18 09:12
标题: Anyone sell me Paklab Duo at cost?
Anyone has the Paklab Duo Kits that's less than 1 year old, sitting around and will let go(=sell) at cost??

I'm estimating the next sales to be ~Feb but I'd like to start now.  Their Duo kits are too light for us, but I'd like to try blending: (Blending is supposed to increase complexity)
- Paklab Cabernet Sauvignon with AR Shiraz,
- Paklab Merlot with a more expensive Cab.
Guessing they MAY turn out OK.  Don't know until I try, ha!

So, if anyone can help me out, please reply or PM.  Thanks in advance!!

p.s. In case any of u enjoy the Paklab Duo, please don't put yourself down. Do consider yourself lucky as u can enjoy light wine.  It's your wine, as long as u like it, that's the only thing that matter!

作者: montrealpost 时间: 2008-12-20 13:01
标题: 2nd tasting of AR Shiraz (MP's 圣诞酒)
Small goup lunch at office, they requested 1 bottle per person.  Of cause  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . NO!!  :mad:

1x750ml 2.2 yr old. Amarone, $150/kit, decanted for 45 min.
1x750ml 1 day old AR Shiraz, decanted for 45 min.

'Decant in office' = pour into water bottles, about 3-4" wide.  Left top open for 45 min. (Ideally, 1-2 hours)

Over 10 people, mostly Quebecers, including one from wine making family, another one love tasting wines.  The said lunch were wine, beer, cheese, cold cut and salads.  Answers from everyone were:

==> Have never tasted home made wine like that!  (=excellent+excellent)

Trick for serving wine, open the best ones first.  After 1st few good bottles, then open the bad ones :p

, they could no longer tell.

作者: montrealpost 时间: 2008-12-21 14:11
标题: MP 自酿 (0) - Love of My Life
MP最爱的不是 Mr. MP, 是酿酒!

夏天 - 养花诳街扮游客,
冬天 - 酿酒看书做乖乖。 (冬天酿酒没飞飞的虫虫, 夏天忙出去玩嘛!)

送予我的最爱, 也同时向所有业内辛勤工作的人士致敬！

MP习惯自言自语! 这系列的帖子 - 不回答问题, 欢迎更正内容！
MP 不会输入中文。 MP的烂E文嘛, 看不明的, 算喽!

作者: 121606 时间: 2008-12-21 14:30

Post by montrealpost
MP 不会输入中文, 请原谅烂E文！

同樣不会输入中文, 只要肯化50刀,用手寫板寫,简繁都可以.还可以寫出香港字.

作者: montrealpost 时间: 2008-12-21 14:34
标题: 加拿大特产= Wine Kits (酿酒用的浓缩葡萄汁)!
加拿大对酒业的高税收, 帮助建立了这个特殊的Wine Kits 行业！Over 90% of wine making concentrates/kits in the world are made in Canada, although most juice comes from US.

p.s. 真冰酒是由德国发明, 是德国特产(some years are not cold enough in Germany), 加拿大的只能说是土产! 假/仿冰酒才是加拿大特特产!

(欢迎 121 英雄/大? :p , 圣诞快乐!)

作者: montrealpost 时间: 2008-12-21 17:53
标题: MP 自酿 (2) - 酿酒基本工序(不写) 有关的
酿酒基本指示(=instructions=酿酒工序) 不写了，look for them inside your box or check web sites of manufacturers. 只写基本指示不写的!

Follow instructions TO THE LETTER, your beer/wine kit will be OK. If anything goes wrong, most manufacturers provide guarantee. Double check wordings on your box or instruction sheet.

作者: montrealpost 时间: 2008-12-21 17:58
标题: Choose retailer who will help you!
Beer or wine, before you buy your kit, visit few more stores. Choose the retailer who is more friendly to u. Buy from there, even if u have to pay a few more $.

While most instruction sheets are written in details + well tested, I'm sure u'll still have question that need answer, your alternative(s):
- call/email manufacturer, (u will need to wait if u don't call during office hour)
- call retailer, (u will find this extremely helpful, even if u have friends)
- call your friend(if any) who know beer/wine making.

作者: montrealpost 时间: 2008-12-21 18:12
标题: Summary of basics
自酿啤酒 @ http://www.sinoquebec.com/bbs/showthread.php?t=572836

自酿葡萄酒 from must - stir, wait, syphon(day7), wait, syphon(day 21/30), wait, syphon(day 60/90)

wait, bottle(8 months) done.

Believe it or not: a Portugese store said bring the bucket of frozen juice(=must) home, open the red cap, leave it on kitchen floor for 2 or 3 months, then bottle.
MP爱酒如命, 一定不这样做！

自酿葡萄酒 from kit - 慢慢写 . . . . .

作者: montrealpost 时间: 2008-12-21 18:13
标题: Separate buckets for wine vs. beer
In case u have extra bucket(s), use different buckets for beer and wine making. Believe wine making leaves stronger smell in plastic bucket. Anyone knows more, please share info.

作者: montrealpost 时间: 2008-12-21 18:20
标题: Day -1, Battle of Waters
Very often, u will hear the importance in using good water in making beer/wine kits.  Some people even swear that they can taste the difference.  Generally Distilled Water and Spring Water are considered good.  Mineral Water cannot be used as too much minerals will obstruct fermentation.

As per a technical manger from one of the manufacturers - leave regular tap water out for 24 hours, the Chlorine will dissipate, and use that.  The only chemical difference is few extra grains of salt.

Arguments + arguments . . . . . the bottom line is . . . . .  if the water is good enough for u to drink, it is good enough to make wine.

作者: montrealpost 时间: 2008-12-21 18:24
标题: Day 0, Opening Juice Bag
The plastic yellow cap on juice bag tends to be extremely hard to open, of cause - for safety during transport.

U can buy a small tool from wine stores, $2/$3, or just use the beer bottle opener. It works like a charm.

作者: montrealpost 时间: 2008-12-21 18:29
标题: Day 7/21++, DO NOT kiss your syphoning hose
Please, PLEASE, do not kiss your syphon tube: ( 麻烦不要请其他人吃你的唾液)
- Fill the tube+hose with water, close the clamp,
- put tube inside your bucket/carboy, put a glass at the other end of hose,
- open the clamp, let water run into glass, close the clamp, dump the water
proceed normal.

作者: montrealpost 时间: 2008-12-21 18:41
标题: Extra - 唾液 - DON'T drink other's home made Sake
There are recipes on web on home made Sake. Not popular, but u can also find kit(s).

Japanese Sake is made from rice, the clarifying agent for Sake is about 30 characters long

but it is in human saliva. Some people don't want to pay the $7 or $10 'clarifying agent(chemical?)' and just spit their own saliva into Sake. It does work, so . . . . . .

作者: montrealpost 时间: 2008-12-21 18:49
标题: Day 21 - Degas till your arm drops
Follow instructions again, TO THE LETTER.

The proper wordings for degassing are 'degas till your arm drops' (when u don't think your arm belongs to u

)

There are gadgets that they sell at wine store, we buy electric drill, vacuum pump, etc. Many crazy things that we do to degas, can be quit obsessive

Many video on U-tube web site. Search and watch videoS on DEGAS.

Wine made from frozen juice doesn't have this gas problem.

Way to check/test gas:
- look for those small bubbles on side of glass, or
- pour little wine out of bottle. Put your thumb over opening, shake bottle. Put your ear to the opening before releasing your thumb, listen to that h-i-s or p-o-p sound.

作者: montrealpost 时间: 2008-12-21 18:54
标题: Day 30, Bottling vs. Extra time
Most instructions tell u to bottle on Day 28 or 30. For those of u who don't filter, I suggest u to:
- syphon your wine once more,
- add 1/4 tsp. of metabisuphite (anti-oxidation) (dissolve in little water),
- let wine rest in carboy for 3-8 extra weeks.

99% sure u will find an extra layer of settlement in your carboy. So your choice.

Above extra step will be OK for your guarantee.

作者: montrealpost 时间: 2008-12-21 19:02
标题: Extra - Oak vs. Sparkling Wine
The only change u can do to kits without voiding your guarantee are:
- change oak (type), (not 100% sure of this, please double check with your manufacturer)
- change quantity of oak, (I double mine sometimes)
- add oak after wine stabilized (on day 30) instead of day 1.

Oak added on day 1 during primary are more mellow. Oak added to wine when finished remain hash for longer time before it'll mellow out. Some expensive kits used 2 stage oaking, using different types of oak at different stages.

For those of u who want to try out few bottles of sparkling wine, SKIP OAK ON DAY 1. U can always add it back when wine is done, just need few extra months of aging for oak to mellow. Steal wine on day 21 BEFORE u add suphite+sorbat+clarifying agents for your experiment. Oak NEVER goes well in sparkling wine.

作者: montrealpost 时间: 2008-12-21 19:06
标题: Extra - junk vs. extra wine
Per instructions, after u syphon, u throw out the junk at bottom of containers.

Instead, pour junk into a wine bottle with airlock, or soft drink bottle with loose cap(to allow gas to come out). Let it sit for few days, if bottle is almost full, u can let it sit for few weeks. The longer it sits, the more wine u will get (as the junk compact itself). Use that for cooking or if u dare, drink it. :p

作者: montrealpost 时间: 2008-12-24 16:51
标题: Corrections to #10 - Day 30, Bottling vs. Extra time
"Extra Time" I used is also called BULK AGE (=Long Term Aging=6 months or more). Corrections in red below:

Most instructions tell u to bottle on Day 28 or 30. For those of u who don't filter, I suggest u to:
- siphon your wine once more,
- add 1/4 tsp. of metabisulphite (anti-oxidation) (dissolve in ~50ml water/wine),
- let wine rest in carboy for 3-8 extra weeks.
- top up with wine or water, till ~2-3" air space below bung + airlock. (to prevent oxidation)

99% sure u will find an extra layer of settlement in your carboy. So your choice.

Above extra step will be OK for your guarantee.

作者: montrealpost 时间: 2008-12-24 16:54
标题: Day 7/21/30 - Top up, Water vs. Wine
The biggest enemy of wine is oxygen.  If u bulk age, make sure your carboy is "completely filled up", leaving ~2-3" air space below rubber bung + airlock, for possible expansion(wine) due to temperature change.

Day 7 - top up with water per manufacturers' instruction, if any.

Day 21 (and or Day 30 if u were to bulk age your wine) - Believe the recommendation from manufacturers are mixed, some suggest water, some suggest wine.  Amongst older wine makers, we all agreed to top up with wine only.  Most people claim that they can taste the last water addition.

For top up, best to use same style wine.  Most of us just top up with whatever wine we have on hand, too expensive to top up with commercial wine.  The little addition of different wine won't affect the taste much.  One of my friends religiously makes a batch of Chateauneuf de Pape for top up. The wine style is supposed to be a blend of ~13 different grapes, theoretically should blend well with most wines.

作者: montrealpost 时间: 2008-12-25 08:26
标题: Stuck Fermentation
Stuck fermentation = fermentation stop halfway.

I've never seen this happen to regular wine kit, except Port/Sherry which are at higher alcohol level:

- buy a pack of EC-1118, (~$1, we call it all-purpose-yeast or the-killer-yeast :p )
- rehydrate yeast per instructions on back of yeast package,
- add 1-2 cups of your 'fermenting' grape juice, wait 0.5-2 hours and see it ferment
(only 1 type of yeast can survive, let them kill each other; let's pray that EC-1118 will kill the unknown one)
- add few more cups of your juice, wait few hours till ferment, then pour the whole thing into your big batch.
(This is to get a bigger population of EC-1118 to work in your big batch)

Yeast companies: http://www.lallemandwine.us/products/yeast_strains.php

(For juice/kit that doesn't start after ~10 days, we normally throw in 2nd dose of same yeast.)
(For juice/kit, check with your manufacturer before doing anything. Products are guaranteed, follow manufacturer's advice.)

作者: montrealpost 时间: 2008-12-31 09:39
标题: Day 0 - Other Uses for the Juice Bag
After emptying the Juice Bag, u can clean and sanitize it for:

1. Storing and Serving Wine -> similar to the 4 Litre box wine that u buy from supermarket/SAQ. Reusable rubber tap (replacing yellow cap) + accessories sold at most wine making supply stores. Reference diagram 8 + instructions in http://woodlandestatewines.com/d ... ry_instructions.pdf

2. Warm-up Carboy since it's easier to degas when wine temperature is higher(best at 25-30C). Normally we use electric heat-belt (~$20+tax) for this. You can also fill a few bags with hot tap water, and wrap the bags around the bucket/carboy, to help increase temperature during fermentation and/or degas.

Not done often, but could be handy in an emergency situation.

作者: montrealpost 时间: 2008-12-31 10:00
标题: Day 30 - Filter 2 o 3 batches of wine, instead of 1
There are arguments on whether filtering wine is good.  Rough estimation: 50% of people filter and 50% don't.

There are 3 types of filter pads: #1, #2, #3 that you can use to remove sediment and polish wine to commercial standard.  Most people filter once only, with#2 filter pads.

If u do 1 extra siphon and bulk age wine for 3-12 extra weeks (careful not to disturb sediment) => u can push through 2 or 3 batches of wine on one set of filter pads, not just 1 batch.  2 White + 1 Red, or 2 Reds.

Try it a few times to get the hang of it, don't burn your motor.

作者: montrealpost 时间: 2009-1-1 17:04
. . . . . moved to MP 自酿 (5) - Resources

作者: montrealpost 时间: 2009-1-3 13:20
标题: Day 0 - 28.5 bottles vs. 31.5 bottles
The old Italian glass carboy(smooth side) is ~30.3 bottles, the 'new' Mexican glass carboy(side square pattern) is ~31.7 bottles.  Production on the Mexican ones stopped April 08, nobody knows what will happen.

When u follow manufacturers' instructions, i.e. starting with 23 litre total, u'll get ~28.5 bottles in the end.  Not 30 bottles, due to wine loss during siphons.

For those of u who don't mind lighter wine, u can add a bit extra water on day 0.  On some of my expensive + heavier wine, I start with ~23 +1 litre.  After primary, I siphon it into 1 Italian + 1.5 litre wine bottles, leaving lots of space in secondary = making sure they don't bubble out of containers.  At the end, I don't need to look around for wine to top up for bulk age.  Getting 30 bottles + little for tasting.

Summer is coming, u might be able to get away with a little lighter wine.

作者: montrealpost 时间: 2009-1-7 12:01
标题: Airlock + Bung - Water/Sanitizing Sol'n/Glycerin
Some instructions state "fill airlock with water", most of us use sanitizing solution(=Metabisulphite+H2O).

For those of u who do extended aging(=bulk age) and/or plan to go away for long vacation, use food-grade-glycerin from drug store, use tape or something to secure the bung.

It is rare but sometimes the bung does pop itself out of the carboy.

作者: montrealpost 时间: 2009-1-7 12:11
标题: 5-20-40-90, Extended Schedule for Better Wine
The connotation I've used in this posting is starting on day 0, some instructions starting on day 1, close enough!

1) Most instructions uses 7-21-28; 7 days in primary, +14 days in secondary, +7 days in stabilizing.
2) I've suggested in previous posting to go with 7-21-28-42 for people who don't filter.
3) Try 5-20-40-90 for better wine.  Details under #2 in Making Your Kit Wine Shine @ http://www.winemakermag.com/comp ... your-kit-wine-shine.

A well written article that is well worth reading and keeping.  Do make time to read it, enjoy!!

作者: lllljjjj 时间: 2009-1-7 12:20
写的不错，看着太累，写中文行吗？

作者: montrealpost 时间: 2009-1-7 12:56
标题: Day 0 - Better Kits for Better Wine, u get what u pay for!
Bigger doesn't mean better; wine kit industry is a mature industry, u get what u pay for.  Exceptions and MY own guesstimate:
1) Believe Costco's markup is ~8%, much lower than stores.  Estimating a ~$30 kit from Costco ~=$45-55 kit in stores.
2) Discount frozen must(=grape juice) by 15-20% for extra storage cost/"freshness", e.g. a $70 bucket of must is equivalent to quality of a ~$60 kit.

Most of the grapes and "fresh must" available in Canada are lower quality Central Valley stuffs from California.  I don't know enough about European sources.  Top of the line for grape/must is Brehm@www.brehmvineyards.com.  In a few years, Elite Vintners may catch up, www.winekitz.elitevintners.com.

An article in explaining the difference in different levels of wine kits, i.e. 5/7.5/10/12/15/16/18/23L concentrate/ pasteurized juice to make 23L of wine.  When u have time, u can read Big Kits @ www.winemakermag.com/component/r ... -big-kits-wine-kits.

作者: montrealpost 时间: 2009-1-7 13:10
标题: Closing
Believe I've finished most of what I thought of writing under this topic. This posting is intended for people who have done a few kits; giving them few tips and tricks that they can use. Those of u who has never done any wine/kit will not understand me.

In closing, there's no secret to good winemaking. CLEAN+SANITIZE/DISINFECT are the 2 keys in successful winemaking. Like cooking, start with good ingredients for better wine, i.e. buy better must/wine kit(=more$).

For funny stuffs that some wine makers do, see MP自酿(3)-酿红/白葡萄酒的变化玩法@ http://sinoquebec.com/bbs/showthread.php?t=605967

整个MP自酿系列的帖子 - 不回答问题, 欢迎更正内容！

作者: lllljjjj 时间: 2009-1-7 17:31
oooooo

作者: lgd 时间: 2009-1-7 17:53
楼上这位喝多了吧，可要尽职尽责的看好宝宝呦

作者: montrealpost 时间: 2009-1-19 11:30
标题: Feedback/反馈的信息
东求西骗，派了多少瓶酒，才骗到一份评语。  无良!!  :frown:

"我的第一桶就酿好了，非常不错，呵呵。都装瓶了。 (这位同学的~28.5瓶酒, 不到七天派完了！)

感想：这是我第一次用这种正统的方法在montreal酿的第一桶红葡萄酒。历时一个半月。从时间上第一阶段还是很严格的(他的意思是: 约第7天时，葡萄汁降到1.010以下, 要siphon)，其他阶段比较灵活，可以放很久。这次一半加糖，一半没加，比较dry的口味。经大家品尝，得到一致好评，自己也觉得不错，很成功，跟买的味道是一样的。还是dry一点的比较好，有那种特有的涩的单宁味道，如果挑剔的话，感觉还是欠缺了点那种回味无穷，圆润的感觉，可能还需要一段时间吧，我想会更好。

自己能做出这种酒很高兴  。  。  。  。  。  。  。  。  当做一生的爱好  。  。  。  。  。  。  。  。  。 "

MP 后语:
-  通常葡萄酒是会越变越好。这位同学做的是 Costco - AR - Merlot, $1的材料, 我仍然怀疑不一定变好。同学们要自己试才知道。
- 回味无穷嘛?! 当然有，圆润的/清素的/风华绝代的/风??存的/落落大方的, MP还在为自己的三妻四妾。  。  。  。  。  努力中。

- 即使你们只计划停留几个月或一年，可以考虑尝试一下。加拿大的特特产, 材料+设备在美国买更贵, 在英国买是更更贵; 那是如果你可以找到的话。

作者: montrealpost 时间: 2009-1-21 13:26
标题: 一起购买自酿葡萄酒/啤酒工具
Equipment only:
Basic Wine/Beer Making Starter Kit: ~$57.XX +tax
Deluxe Wine/Beer Starter Kit: ~$77.XX + tax (Wine Bottler and few extras included.)

- Recommend Deluxe Kit, as u'll get everything u need except beer caper.
- Recommend buying Beer Caper at same time(not included in any kit), ~$11+tax
- Could be anywhere 10-20% off.
- I won't go unless there's more than 10 people, hopefully by end of February -> mid March.
(Else this posting CLOSED)

- If interested, leave your eMail here.  If u don't want to wait, please put your last date here also.
- Need car, anyone who has it please state it.
- I DO NOT call people.
- PLEASE do not PM me.

U can pick up beer kit(s) at same time:
** Kit expiry dates ~May/June, 2009 , u need to start making it soon after **
Beer Kit: 4 varieties @ $8.99+tax (Regular $14-$19, no further discount)
(by Coopers from Australia: Lager, Draft, Real Ale, Bronde)
~Sugar for beer making: Liquid or solid ~$2.XX-$3.50+tax

I will not post address of store here as web master will delete.  If anyone volunteer to re-distribute address, I'd be happy to give out address.

作者: montrealpost 时间: 2009-2-16 10:18
Rumors that glass carboy went from ~$20 to ~$40. Price for deluxe kit most likely has increased.

作者: montrealpost 时间: 2009-2-18 10:41
标题: Paklab Roadshow Feb 2-22, 09
The Paklab duo has been on Roadshow in Central Market, ending 22nd Feb, $17 discount this time.

Haven't heard anything from AR. For the last 2 yrs, they were always on sales AT THE SAME TIME, not this time.

Don't know when the next road show will be. General rule of thumb for Wine Kits (all companiesS) ==> there seems to be always sales for Father's Day. So check them out few weeks before.

作者: montrealpost 时间: 2009-2-18 10:42
标题: Notes on Argentia Ridge
My 2nd tasting of AR Shiraz
Bottled 17/12/08, about 2 months old, no decanting needed.  Still find wine acceptable, didn't get much lighter on 2nd day like the last batch of AR Merlot.  Full pack of oak used, definitely too much for Shiraz.  A little residual sugar in wine, same for AR Merlot, which I don't like but doesn't bother anyone else.

Notes on AR Oak
We love oak, normally double up the oak quantity on most of my wine kits.  For AR:
- I've heard many comments and we all agreed that it's a bit too much.
- Most of us also agree that the oak taste is nice, quite special and different from most kit companies.
- Had an AR Merlot at one year old, I was the only one out of ~30 people who find the oak tasted bitter.
- AR oak pack is about 4 times the size of other wine kits.  Hence, for people who are not crazy about oak, start with 50% of the oak pack(my next Shiraz).  Those who don't know, can start with 75%(my next Merlot).  This is assuming that AR doesn't change the quantity and supplier of their oak chips.

Ending
All Costco wine kits are for my buddy, I only have few tastings on the 2 AR.  The earliest I could make them again will be next winter, then +2 years for tastings  .  .  .  .  .

I still hold the same comment==>  AR provide better value than Vino Europa(too light); both good for its price.

Believe this will be my last comment to this thread, hope the information help some of u.

Any question?

作者: montrealpost 时间: 2009-2-18 10:47
Not sure, but most likely going to the store next week. Anyone want equipment and/or beer kit?

作者: montrealpost 时间: 2009-2-21 09:44
再次提醒各位同学:明天将是最后一天Paklab在Costco的推广速销，不要买桶装的。

谢谢朋友的提醒，Paklab 的 Vino Europa 白葡萄酒 Duo Kit 是不错的, Chardonnay/Semillion.

For those of u who prefer sweet wine, u can add Wine Conditioner after wine is made.  Not sure if they sell them at Costco, if not, buy them at other wine supply stores ($4-5/bottle).  Do your bench test (=trial & error with 1 glass) before u decide on quantity to add to batch.  Full bottle for 1 batch is definitely too sweet.

Some people prefer them(white+red) FRESH = when wine is first made, it's the fruitiest.  U have to try it for yourself.

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再次提醒各位同学们:  在安大略省买 wine kit [color="Red"]没有销售税。

如果您有朋友在安大略省可以帮忙在Costco 买 AR 和/或 Paklab，请随时与我联系 PM或eMail MontrealPost at Hotmail点com (no spaces).  (3月以后我不会经常在网上, 但电子邮件长期有效期。)

Happy Wine Making!

作者: Jaxk 时间: 2009-2-22 20:15
标题: 自酿啤酒
你好。我对自酿啤酒的设备感兴趣。我的Email：zxliucn@hotmail.com.

谢谢。

作者: jack67 时间: 2009-2-22 21:40
标题: 自酿葡萄酒工具
我想购买自酿葡萄酒工具77元那种，我的电话是514-9929567.邮箱是linjie67@hotmail.com.谢谢

作者: Quebecquebec 时间: 2009-2-22 21:50
标题: 自酿葡萄酒工具50元
I have several sets of 自酿葡萄酒工具, $50 CND a set. Inform u how to make wine if you want.
quebec_wu@yahoo.com

作者: montrealpost 时间: 2009-2-23 09:47
Thanks for the resource.  May be u/your friend(s) want to lower the price.  Afterall, they're related ~"food product", definitely not more than 50% of original price.  Please feel free to come back with a new price.

Also a reminder to those who want to buy or sell equipment:  It's easy to buy new, extremely hard to sell or buy 2nd hand.  However, with some luck, u may run into complete set of Deluxe kit for $20-40.  A friend of mine in South Shore picked up a deluxe set with extra glass carboys for $25 at a garage sales.

LAST YEAR an Ontario wine store brought in a big stock of 2nd hand 23L glass carboy, @$10+tax.  Free shipment to West Island.  However, now that all the glass carboys come from Italy, expensive.

Any of u who's contemplating in getting equipment/glass carboy, new or 2nd hand, please act quick, don't know if there's still any old stock around.  For my own friend, my advice is to buy the glass ones new.  It's dangerous if u don't know how old the glass is and if u don't know how to check for all the small crack(s).  They implode and u don't want to go to hospital.

Post by Quebecquebec;2161560
I have several sets of 自酿葡萄酒工具, $50 CND a set. Inform u how to make wine if you want.
quebec_wu@yahoo.com

作者: montrealpost 时间: 2009-2-23 09:58
标题: To those interested
Thanks to those who are interested.  I'll wait for one more week to see if there's anyone else interested, then I'll eMail to everyone.  Tentatively, we'll go 1st or 2nd week in March.

Deluxe Kits:  [$7x.xx(+$0-20)] -~20% + tax (we paid $61.92 last August, now may +$20)
Includes: primary fermeter and list, 23L glass carboy, airlock and rubber bung, hydrometer, hydromter test jar, bottle brush, long handled spook, wine thief, bottle filter, 24" racking tube, siphon hose 6" & shut off clamp, double lever corker, chlorinated detergent 100g, metabisulphite (50g), instructional CD & instruction sheet.

Basic Kits: [$4X.XX -~20% +2 taxes], please allow for inflation.
Includes: Primary Fermenter and lid, 23L plastic carboy, airlock and rubber bung (#8), hydrometer, long handled spoon, 24" racking tube, siphon hose 6' & shut off clamp, chlorinated detegent 100g, metabisulphite (50g) , instruction sheet.

Beer Caper (not in above): we paid $10.68-20%+2taxes = $8.54 last August, please allow for inflation.  Depending on # of people, we MAY not get 20% discount on this item this time.

I can't put store name here as web master will delete post.  Will start eMail next Monday.

作者: montrealpost 时间: 2009-2-23 16:59
标题: Filter Basics (过滤葡萄酒)
Given time (~6-12 months), all wine will clear on its own. U can filter(=+polish) your wine to commercial standard:
A. Equipment (设备):
1. 租($3-10/day),或 (some stores lend it to u free when u buy wine kit from them)
2. 买(~$80-$500). (Best= vacuum, but pump are expensive. Easiest to use = Mini-Jet ~$150)

B. Filter Pads (过滤垫): $2.5-$4.5/set
Each set of filter pads can be used for 1 to 3 batches of 23L. (read details in #17)

作者: montrealpost 时间: 2009-2-23 17:02
标题: Labels and Caps
U may want to "dress" your bottles for gifts. Costco kits include labels and caps, ELSE buy separate.

A. Caps  (=capsules=shrink wrap) (~$6/100 or $3/30, plastic, red/gold/black/etc.)
* Put the caps on before labels, as the bottle may get wet during the process. *
a.  Hair dryer, (none of us can get this method right)
b.  Heat gun,
c.  Steam, or (a non stop water kettle or whatever u can figure out)
d.  Boiling Water (details below)

B.  Labels (~$3/30, there's glue on back of label):
a.  Wet Towel/Sponge, or
b.  Small plate of water

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How do I put the capsules on my bottles? (ZT)
Boil water in a small pot. Put the capsule on the top of the bottle and hold it in place with a wooden spoon. Turn the bottle upside down and immerse the top of the bottle into the boiling water. Within a fraction of a second, the capsule will shrink to form a tight fit on the bottle.

* U have to be quick, waste a few capsules and u'll learn

*
** Afterward, I use a heat resistance cup to pour boiling water over the capsules to SMOOTH out wrinkles. **
*** Be careful, don't BURN yourself ***

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作者: montrealpost 时间: 2009-2-23 19:12
标题: Corrections
1. To Quebecquebec: I assumeD that your equipment was used. If they are new, please accept my apology!

2. Made a mistake on my $:p, those were before taxes $. Restart again:

* All following last August $, -20% +taxes.  Equipments+2taxes, Wine/Beer Kit +7.5 QST only *

Deluxe Kit:  $77.40 => $69.89 (all taxes in)
Basic Kit: $54.60 => $49.30
Beer Capper $10.68 => $9.64
150 beer caps $4.98 => $4.5

3.  We are going to a wholesaler in South Shore, almost middle of nowhere.  Rare, but if there's any problem with any piece, u can bring it back for exchange.  HOWEVER, I can ONLY take u there once, I don't have car to take u back there again.

作者: montrealpost 时间: 2009-2-23 19:30
标题: Wine Kits
* I [color="Red"]don't recommend following for anyone who has not made wine before *

There's a buy 3 get 1 free promotion right now.  Their LOW END duo kits are ~$50/2kits after tax, hence it's total of 8/16/etc.  Understand?

Most likely I'll be picking up ~8 kits for a friend.  Estimating my next visit to the store ~Aug/Sept, 2010.

ONLY For those who like the Costco Paklab VE Duo kits:  leave your eMail and # of kits interested, min. 4 kits.  I don't know what's available, let's assume same mix as the VE.

If there's more than 2 interested, I'll do the group eMail NEXT Monday.  I'll only take names till 8am next Monday for both equipment+kits.

作者: montrealpost 时间: 2009-2-24 11:31
To Quebecquebec, a friend of mine looking for bottle drainer(=tree, 45place) + blash bottle washer, u have?

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Wine Kits: * Not recommend for 1st time wine maker, buy 3x2 get 1x2 of the cheaper ones free *
1.  DUO - Theorectically there are lots more, but only saw followings last August: (~$191/4x2)
- Merlot/Cabinet Sauvignon (Red),
- Chardonnay/Semillon (White),
- Shiraz(Red) + Gewurztraminer (White)

2.  VI - Theoretically, they are supposed to have followings: (~$199/8kits, they're in double pack)
Red: Borolo, Cabernet Merlot, Cabernet Sauvignon, Chianti, Merlot, Montepulciano, Shiraz, Tuscany Rosso, Valpolicella
Rose: White Merlot, Zinfandel Blush
White:  Chardonnay, Gewurztraminer, Moscato, Piesporter, Pinot Bianco, Pinot Chardonnay, Riesling, Saugvinon Blanc, Verdicchio

3. I'd like to buy 1 Port, ~~$120 @23L kit.  Doubt if there are 3 more people interested, so anyone?

To web master:  Besides in South Shore and prices, I haven't mentioned anything about the store nor the brand, please do not delete my thread/posting.

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作者: montrealpost 时间: 2009-2-27 18:13
标题: Last Call - till Monday 8am
Last call for ANYONE ELSE interested in buying wine/beer making equipment and wine/beer kits together.  I'll check this thread Monday March 2 ~8am for the last time.

Confirmed Basic and Deluxe Kits same price and discounts.  See #9 below for price, #8 for detailed listing of parts.  Further details read #2 Gear Guide at http://sinoquebec.com/bbs/showthread.php?t=606965, INCLUDING the article that I've quoted web link.

For beer - Basic Kit + Beer Caper
For wine - Deluxe Kit
For both - Deluxe Kit + Beer Caper
Add (glass) Carboy Holder for safety, plus thermometer.

Only 2 pieces in Kit that some of us don't use:  wine thief + brush (I use super concentrated Chlorine).

If u don't know wine making process, watch video first @ http://rjspagnols.com/video/wine_cruselect_video.asp

Nice weekend!

作者: montrealpost 时间: 2009-3-2 08:06
标题: This posting CLOSED
MP不是开店的，请不要问我哪里买，我不能每个人续一的回答。

以后，如果谁有意购买酿酒设备，请直接联系Quebecquebec，或查看您的电话本 ("~wine making")，然后自己去商店。谢谢！

Post by Quebecquebec;2161560
I have several sets of 自酿葡萄酒工具, $50 CND a set. Inform u how to make wine if you want.
quebec_wu@yahoo.com

作者: montrealpost 时间: 2009-3-2 19:57
To Jack67 + Jaxk + others who has received my eMail,

1st lot of eMail on arrangement+equipment+kits sent last Friday, if u haven't received anything, please check your Junk Mail box. If u can't find anything, please send a eMail to MontrealPost at Hotmail dot com.

If I don't receive any reply by Wednesday 8am, I'll assume that u're no longer interested. I may go to wine supply store on Thursday/Friday.

Thanks!

作者: Quebecquebec 时间: 2009-3-2 20:41
标题: bottle drainer+ blash bottle washer
Thanks, MP, I still have the bottle drainer (but interest in selling this alone), just threw away the blash bottle washer 3 weeks ago. For sure the wine making kits are second hand. Nowdays, you can not find any brand new kits which asking only $50 CAD.

Post by montrealpost;2162804
To Quebecquebec, a friend of mine looking for bottle drainer(=tree, 45place) + blash bottle washer, u have?

------------------------------------
Wine Kits: * Not recommend for 1st time wine maker, buy 3x2 get 1x2 of the cheaper ones free *
1. DUO - Theorectically there are lots more, but only saw followings last August: (~$191/4x2)
- Merlot/Cabinet Sauvignon (Red),
- Chardonnay/Semillon (White),
- Shiraz(Red) + Gewurztraminer (White)

2. VI - Theoretically, they are supposed to have followings: (~$199/8kits, they're in double pack)
Red: Borolo, Cabernet Merlot, Cabernet Sauvignon, Chianti, Merlot, Montepulciano, Shiraz, Tuscany Rosso, Valpolicella
Rose: White Merlot, Zinfandel Blush
White: Chardonnay, Gewurztraminer, Moscato, Piesporter, Pinot Bianco, Pinot Chardonnay, Riesling, Saugvinon Blanc, Verdicchio

3. I'd like to buy 1 Port, ~~$120 @23L kit. Doubt if there are 3 more people interested, so anyone?

To web master: Besides in South Shore and prices, I haven't mentioned anything about the store nor the brand, please do not delete my thread/posting.

作者: montrealpost 时间: 2009-3-4 08:46
Since u used the word "but", I assume u meant " but NOT interested in selling this alone".

My friends prefer new equipments. May I ask why you threw out the blash bottle washer? Do u remember when+where+how much u paid for it? Thanks in advance!

作者: montrealpost 时间: 2009-3-4 09:16
标题: 评语 - Costco AR-CP- Merlot vs. Shiraz
又骗到一份评语：

"应MP邀请，对两种葡萄酒口味进行品尝，Merlot 和 Shiraz。自己也不是很专业，而且两种口味很接近。仔细分别品尝了十多次，还是能区分出两种酒来，但是把这种感觉用语言表达出来，好像还是件难事，试着凭感觉说一下。

共性：外观澄清透明，红润，有光泽，看起来舒畅愉悦。端起酒杯晃一晃，闻一闻，酒香扑鼻，这时人已经醉了，被香气迷醉了。刚入口一瞬间感觉酒是甜的，圆润，柔和。酒进入口腔中，便会感觉到酒精麻醉舌头的感觉，有些沙口，针刺感，然后立刻感觉到单宁苦涩的特有味道，这时舌头不由自主地抵上颚，会感受到舌头接触上颚是涩涩的。其实涩也不是一种味道，更确切应该是触觉，干燥，收敛，摩擦的感觉。咽下后余味绵长，口感和香气会持续一会，回味无穷。

区别不大，Merlot口味偏清香，果味，清爽一些，圆润柔和一些。 Shiraz涩味和酒香味更重，酒精更浓。酒体和层次感更强。

葡萄酒的味道和感觉，口感实在太复杂了，真是很难用语言说清楚，每个人对口味喜欢不同，对感觉理解不同，以上仅个人体会。"

MP 后语:
1. 两种口味原本(=应该)是不接近的，但。。。很多时，同一制造商+同一产品线的不同葡萄酒=>味道是很接近=非常相似但又不同。
2. 给爱层次感的同学=> find a proper cellar~=cool basement, age wine for 3-6 months, 层次感更好。
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作者: montrealpost 时间: 2009-3-8 11:32
标题: AR-CP-Shiraz 2
Additional Notes:
1.  Not sure if it's the harvest/batch/all, the AR-CP Shiraz needs to be bottle aged for minimum 1 month.  Decanting needed when consumed early.

2.  "同一制造商+同一产品线的不同葡萄酒=>味道是非常相似 "; HOWEVER, after cellar age for ~6 months, the wines will become noticeably different.

3. 同一制造商+ 同/不同产品线+ 同一类的葡萄=>味道是不同的, e.g. Pinot Noir:
WE-SI-(Chilean) Purity-of-fruit and balanced style ,
WE-SI-(New Zealand) New-school Burgundy-style,
WE-WV-(California) Medium to Full-body, rich, ripe grape but not heavy,
WE-SE-(Sonoma) Wrestle your taste buds to the ground,
WE-SO- Easy Drinking
WE-VR- Easy Drinking
WE-IM- Blueberry Pinot Noir - Light-Medium body, SWEET, blueberry, fruity summer drink.

楼上的一个制造商，同一个葡萄的种类，7个不同的wine kits，7个不同的味道，同学们头晕了吗？

作者: montrealpost 时间: 2009-3-8 11:36
标题: 评语 - PL-VI Tuscany Rosso
最后的一个评语(不想再害朋友写了 :p ):
"闻起来有烟熏得味道，喝着感觉苦涩味更重，口味的确不同(跟AR比较)。不足就是缺少些回味的感觉  。  。  。  。  。  。
上一桶酒(=AR Merlot) 酿的很好(=更好)  。  。  。  。  。  。 "

MP 后语:
1.  我们喜欢这个，想要一个简单的意大利红酒，吃意大利面时用的。需要不同的酒伴随不同的食物。
2.  此外: 大部份新酿的酒(第一个月左右)，酒精容易 "上头"。(=感觉很容易醉 = 好好玩的 :cool: )
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作者: montrealpost 时间: 2009-3-23 10:53
现在下面的所有帖子混到这里。  看不明的同学们。。。。算喽。。。。
-  Costco ~$1 home make wine,
-  Buy wine making equipment together,
-  Buy BOP wine together,
-  MP 自酿 (0)  -  ??
-  MP 自酿 (2)  -  ??
-  may be more :confused: :confused: :p (先多饮2杯，然后  。。。。可能看得明

)

继续 - MP 自酿 (2) - 酿酒基本工序(不写) 有关的 。。。。

作者: montrealpost 时间: 2009-3-23 10:58
标题: Costco PL yeast
Took everyone (in wine making community) a long time to find info on the yeast for the Costco Paklab wine kits. Only find an Italian data sheet on Levospark BK1:

http://www.tecnofood.it/schede/liev_levo/bk1_.pdf (意文真有趣！

)

It is temperature tolerant(10-30oC) and up to maximum of 16% alcohol. However, it's fermentation is slower, don't be surprised if it takes 10 days for primary.
(believe I've written: add ~2cups sugar=+1% alcohol; exact=17g sugar/liter of must to add 1% alcohol
Those of u who want to pump alcohol to max: feed melted sugar(hot water) to primary over few days)

作者: montrealpost 时间: 2009-3-23 11:00
标题: Update to 5-20-40-90
Those who are interested in the 5-20-40-90 Extended Schedule (Posting #55 below), clarification and update:
http://winemakermag.com/blogs/Ma ... -Shine-Redeaux.html

作者: montrealpost 时间: 2009-4-22 12:36
标题: 种植葡萄的?架
有人问。。。。。种植葡萄的?架 :p
Can't find that posting now: Start with "Vine Training", tons of info on web.

Try these: http://www.nysaes.cornell.edu/ho ... trainandstocks.html, http://www.thewinedoctor.com/advisory/technicaltraining.shtml

作者: vj sakara 时间: 2009-4-28 12:00
mp , 你好，不知道你下次出去购买的时间是什么时候。。。

我只是感兴趣，没有实践过。

所以我想我是需要一切的道具，原材料和包装的leber 等东西

是不是您帮忙购买，还是你指提供地址和网站？？

啤酒和红酒的制作硬件是不是不一样？？？

作者: montrealpost 时间: 2009-4-29 14:42
"不知道你下次出去购买的时间是什么时候。。。" ==> for myself=2010.  May visit store(s) = end June(WE sales)+whatever other INTERESTING sales.

"所以我想我是需要一切的道具" ==> buy from store, buy "DELUXE SET" instead of the cheaper set.

"原材料和包装的label 等东西" ==> Costco wine kits include everything(except equipment); other suppliers sell them separate.

"是不是您帮忙购买，" ==> NO, unless I'm picking up things for my friend(s).  Now, they're all "done" .

"还是你指提供地址和网站？？" ==> For now, please look for store yourself.

I still don't know if web master let me post addresses, no time to work on that right now anyway.  I CANNOT check address . . . . . NOT one person at a time, SORRY!

"啤酒和红酒的制作硬件是不是不一样？？？" - YES, except:
1.  the corker(wine) vs. capper (beer).
2.  the "~4-days method" for beer making ONLY requires big bucket+few small pieces, NO carboy needed.

Have fun!

作者: 金圣叹 时间: 2009-4-29 15:34
MP美女，你所说的葡萄酒做出来后有稳定的味道吗？老金是说，如果拿出去卖，今天这个味，明天那个味，顾客会说我卖假酒的。。。。。

作者: montrealpost 时间: 2009-4-29 16:36
"你所说的葡萄酒做出来后有稳定的味道吗？" ==>酒如美女 = 天天变. However, 自酿 ~=winery ~=SAQ~=same.

"今天这个味，明天那个味" ==> 是天天变, 但没有变这么多！ (是就更好玩啦!

)
"顾客会说我卖假酒的。。。。。" ==> 我相信在加拿大假酒比自酿贵。没办法，labour cost (人工)太贵。

"老金是说，如果拿出去[color="Red"]卖" ==> Don't do this, u will break many heartSSS!  :cool:
非法的，需要去坐牢的。  。  。  。  。  。  。  。。你的网迷呵。。。粉丝呵  。。  。  金夫人呵。。。金情人呵    。。。 :wink:  :rolleyes:  :p

Wine chart below represents Time (X-axis) vs. Drinkability(Y-axis) of different 自酿的product lines.  I don't have the ability to explain this chart on web, SORRY! (没你的口才 :frown

(The proper chart should cover minimum 7 years)

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作者: vj sakara 时间: 2009-4-30 13:36
thanx dude , so you mean i will find everything from cosco there ???

l 'equitment you mean i can find in costco either ?

if it is all cool man , i am gonna check it out ....

how much will be cost around ? 200- or 300- ?"?

作者: vj sakara 时间: 2009-4-30 13:43
man , the euitment is it like that ?

http://www.costco.com/Browse/Pro ... amp;topnav=&s=1

189 $ is kind of pricy ,,,

作者: 金圣叹 时间: 2009-4-30 18:47
对呀，要坐牢的呀，看来美女的背后都是陷阱。。。。。。。

忘了问一下，MP美女酿酒是露天制作还是在酒窖里制作（需要恒温吗）？

酒我可以不卖，但高价卖会员卡，起个名譬如叫“MP美女酿酒山庄俱乐部”，装修一个1万平方米的私人酒窖，专门供在蒙城的成功人士周末来消消闲，喝喝那些味道变来变去的酒，打打GOLF。。。。

以后所有的投资移民落地魁省都全部TMD强迫入会，不用一年，这个以美女酿酒为拳头产品的会所组织，将比老虎基金还强。。。

MP姑娘，意下如何？

作者: montrealpost 时间: 2009-5-2 09:42
标题: 查电话本/黄页
It is a good equipment set, EXCEPT the "plastic" carboy.  Glass carboy preferred.

It is expensive, ($189+taxes)US x 1.3=$?? Canadian :p  Be glad u are Canadian, much cheaper here in Montreal!

Check your phone book(电话本), look for Wine Making ??? in Yellow Pages(黄页). (normally more stores listed in the French section of Yellow Page) U should be able to find a few "wine making supply stores".  Go and visit a few store(s), they'll explain to u!

Sorry, really need to run now.  Nice weekend to ALL!

Post by vj sakara;2224749
man , the euitment is it like that ?

http://www.costco.com/Browse/Pro ... amp;topnav=&s=1

189 $ is kind of pricy ,,,

作者: montrealpost 时间: 2009-5-2 09:45
永恒的真理, 害怕吗？

"是露天制作还是在酒窖里制作（需要恒温吗）？" ==> 在厨房, 每桶只需要一个平方英尺。恒温 :confused: , ~18C 已经足够, 最好高于20C, 不需要恒温( :confused: :confused: )。开始发酵后，通常没有问题。

冬季酿酒，夏季玩！现在去玩啦！Have a wonderful weekend!!

Post by 金圣叹;2225004
。。。。。。。美女的背后都是陷阱。。。。。。。

作者: 金圣叹 时间: 2009-5-2 11:42
怪不得一见美女就发抖－－原来MP早知道了，老金是害怕呀。。。。。。

对了，老金一直崇拜酿酒这绝活，因为把几个腐烂发霉、败絮其中的葡萄，变成芬芳扑鼻、滴滴香浓的葡萄酒，必定是一种高深莫测、仅为有限的专业人士所掌握的秘技。。。。

但经过MP姑娘的解说之后，怎么觉得，造酒比往牛奶里放三聚氰胺还简单呢？！

你能不能让老金眼见为实？哪怕坐牢老金也认了！

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