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作者: peterpan1668    时间: 2008-1-1 08:15
标题: 回复MONTREAL1999:老潘, 我建议你挑头成立一个移民间互相帮助, 互相排解烦恼的组织。
MONTREAL1999: 老潘, 我建议你挑头成立一个移民间互相帮助, 互相排解烦恼的组织。
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PETERPAN1668回复

谢谢信任:)这个头我是可以挑,因为我本来不是为了什么沽名钓誉,而是不想自己的不幸在后来者们身上再次发生;但是有言在先--看看我当时组建的“华人互助联盟”无疾而终,这便是为什么我宁可以我个人名义为大家提供帮助和信息的苦衷了。

所以,这不是凭一股热情,而是需要有一批有志之士共同参与投入才会有成效。我的建议和想法均在我的博客珍惜人生,互助互爱有所涉及:
http://blog.wenxuecity.com/blogindex.php?catID=218

还是那句老话: 出门在外,尤其置身异国他乡因语言、肤色的不同及环境和文化的变迁,令我们的生活和事业更加艰辛不易,以至消沉彷徨,不知所措。因此显得我们更需要互相提携勉力。让我们不计贫富贵贱,不计教育层次,不计地位高低,不计区域出身,为我,为你,为我们的子孙后代在海外闯出美好的生活和成功的事业奉献自己的绵力。



DOWNTOWN: Peterpan, 突然想请教一个问题,互助团体是如何寻找那些需要帮助的人。如果他们不主动来找,怎么办?



To downtown: 你的问题我以为不是什么实质性的问题,如果一个机构真正为民办事,人们自己会找上门来的。即便今天我以我个人名义提供帮助,人们都会主动找我。我想这里面没有什么技巧,关键是心纯与否。



犹太至潘先生:
您好!您是令人尊敬的人。大概在几年前,潘先生的协会中一位女士曾经几次联络过,从而认识潘先生。我不相信什么沽名钓誉的话,相信潘先生(虽然从未谋面,只是电话聊过)。当时,您也劝我参与协会的工作。我却没有接受,是因为我对华人一些组织的担心,害怕无疾而终,白忙活。
时至今日,如果您牵头,我将尽力支持您.我个人有一个建议,就是可持续发展的问题,全部靠一个人,或少部分人的雷锋式激情奉献恐怕难以长久发展。如有必要和可能,我愿意和您聊聊细节。



TO 犹太: 谢谢你和诸位对我的信任。其实很多人都鼓动我搞民间团体并借此参政,但均被我婉拒了,因为这不是我的初衷。我之所以愿意为大家无偿付出不为其它,是因为我移民来加的坎坷经历,而希望我的努力和付出或许能为后来者就我之遭遇作为前车之鉴而免遭灭顶之灾。


不是我不主张华人参政,恰恰是我认为华人参政从政是我们海外华人自强的根本之道,只是我的性格过于耿直,并不适合从政。这些可以在我博客的一些篇幅中了解一二:

团结互助,海外华人的强盛之本! , 关于反对歧视提高华人地位和华人参政从政及其它 等。

这是我的博客:珍惜人生,互助互爱
http://blog.wenxuecity.com/myindex.php?blogID=14670




好货清仓:太多的坎坷,太多的不幸,需要你我共同渡过。支持组建《互助联盟》。



PEAK11: 致潘先生和犹太,看到这样的不幸,如果能帮到一些人摆脱困境,我愿意参加,或许能帮着介绍些工作。请联系我吧。



TO PEAK11、好货清仓等诸位: 谢谢,有机会我们一定抽时间聚在一起好好聊聊:)我的联系方法:peterpan1668@yahoo.ca or: peterpan1668@gmail.com


祝大家新年快乐,万事胜意!



C&C: peterpan,你好。你是这个论坛的老人了,你的帖子我也读过不少,知道你也是经历了不少磨难的。所以我信任你是真心为华人办事的。我最近也在运作一个有利于我们华人社区的项目,只是有些关于与政府打交道方面的事情不是很明白,你是老移民了,这方面的经验比我要多,所以希望能够能像你请教。同时也希望能得到你的建议。
另外,我觉得无源之水终会断流,无根之木抗不住风雨。建筑在空中楼阁之上的华人互助组织就像乌托邦。我觉得现在最重要的是应该做好华人社区各个层面的基层建设,而不是一个大而统的互助组织。

我的电话是8855968



TO C&C: 新年好。我会和你联系的。冒昧问一下:既然你在运作一个有利于我们华人社区的项目,能否和大家讲讲项目的大致内容?



这个主题不是很适合我们讨论我们大家彼此关心的问题。既然以上及原先和我曾经联络的诸位均有这样的意向,我还是根据此意愿在人在魁北克的栏目内另开一坛。谨请诸位跟帖并各抒己见:



标题干脆便以【MONTREAL1999的“老潘, 我建议你挑头成立一个移民间互相帮助, 互相排解烦恼的组织。” 作为引子吧。



再次祝大家新年快乐,万事胜意!
作者: 加联华    时间: 2008-1-1 13:09
标题: 一定支持
有点新年的春风气息,呵呵
作者: Richard He    时间: 2008-1-1 15:00
标题: 是真的吗?
普通百姓一般是善良的,我家就长时间得到两家香港老移民的真诚帮助。如果真有良好的组织,相信这个社区会日益显现其生命力的。
美好的祝愿与期盼!
作者: peterpan1668    时间: 2008-1-3 09:27
标题: 老潘, 我建议你挑头成立一个移民间互相帮助, 互相排解烦恼的组织。【回复MONTREAL1999
回复:老潘, 我建议你挑头成立一个移民间互相帮助,

互相排解烦恼的组织



(觉得还是这个论坛比较适合此帖,故重贴于此)



   MONTREAL1999: 老潘,我建议你挑头成立一个移民间互相帮助,互相排解烦恼的组织。
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PETERPAN1668回复

谢谢信任:)这个头我是可以挑,因为我本来不是为了什么沽名钓誉,而是不想自己的不幸在后来者们身上再次发生;但是有言在先--看看我当时组建的“华人互助联盟”无疾而终,这便是为什么我宁可以我个人名义为大家提供帮助和信息的苦衷了。

所以,这不是凭一股热情,而是需要有一批有志之士共同参与投入才会有成效。我的建议和想法均在我的博客珍惜人生,互助互爱有所涉及:
http://blog.wenxuecity.com/blogindex.php?catID=218

还是那句老话:出门在外,尤其置身异国他乡因语言、肤色的不同及环境和文化的变迁,令我们的生活和事业更加艰辛不易,以至消沉彷徨,不知所措。因此显得我们更需要互相提携勉力。让我们不计贫富贵贱,不计教育层次,不计地位高低,不计区域出身,为我,为你,为我们的子孙后代在海外闯出美好的生活和成功的事业奉献自己的绵力。

DOWNTOWN: Peterpan, 突然想请教一个问题,互助团体是如何寻找那些需要帮助的人。如果他们不主动来找,怎么办?

To  downtown: 你的问题我以为不是什么实质性的问题,如果一个机构真正为民办事,人们自己会找上门来的。即便今天我以我个人名义提供帮助,人们都会主动找我。我想这里面没有什么技巧,关键是心纯与否。


犹太至潘先生:
您好!您是令人尊敬的人。大概在几年前,潘先生的协会中一位女士曾经几次联络过,从而认识潘先生。我不相信什么沽名钓誉的话,相信潘先生(虽然从未谋面,只是电话聊过)。当时,您也劝我参与协会的工作。我却没有接受,是因为我对华人一些组织的担心,害怕无疾而终,白忙活。
时至今日,如果您牵头,我将尽力支持您.我个人有一个建议,就是可持续发展的问题,全部靠一个人,或少部分人的雷锋式激情奉献恐怕难以长久发展。如有必要和可能,我愿意和您聊聊细节。

TO  犹太: 谢谢你和诸位对我的信任。其实很多人都鼓动我搞民间团体并借此参政,但均被我婉拒了,因为这不是我的初衷。我之所以愿意为大家无偿付出不为其它,是因为我移民来加的坎坷经历,而希望我的努力和付出或许能为后来者就我之遭遇作为前车之鉴而免遭灭顶之灾。


不是我不主张华人参政,恰恰是我认为华人参政从政是我们海外华人自强的根本之道,只是我的性格过于耿直,并不适合从政。这些可以在我博客的一些篇幅中了解一二:

团结互助,海外华人的强盛之本! , 关于反对歧视提高华人地位和华人参政从政及其它 等。

这是我的博客:珍惜人生,互助互爱
http://blog.wenxuecity.com/myindex.php?blogID=14670


好货清仓:太多的坎坷,太多的不幸,需要你我共同渡过。支持组建《互助联盟》。

PEAK11: 致潘先生和犹太,看到这样的不幸,如果能帮到一些人摆脱困境,我愿意参加,或许能帮着介绍些工作。请联系我吧。



TO  PEAK11、好货清仓等诸位: 谢谢,有机会我们一定抽时间聚在一起好好聊聊:)我的联系方法:peterpan1668@yahoo.ca  or: peterpan1668@gmail.com


祝大家新年快乐,万事胜意!

C&C: peterpan,你好。你是这个论坛的老人了,你的帖子我也读过不少,知道你也是经历了不少磨难的。所以我信任你是真心为华人办事的。我最近也在运作一个有利于我们华人社区的项目,只是有些关于与政府打交道方面的事情不是很明白,你是老移民了,这方面的经验比我要多,所以希望能够能像你请教。同时也希望能得到你的建议。
另外,我觉得无源之水终会断流,无根之木抗不住风雨。建筑在空中楼阁之上的华人互助组织就像乌托邦。我觉得现在最重要的是应该做好华人社区各个层面的基层建设,而不是一个大而统的互助组织。

我的电话是8855968

TO C&C: 新年好。我会和你联系的。冒昧问一下:既然你在运作一个有利于我们华人社区的项目,能否和大家讲讲项目的大致内容?

这个主题不是很适合我们讨论我们大家彼此关心的问题。既然以上及原先和我曾经联络的诸位均有这样的意向,我还是根据此意愿在人在魁北克的栏目内另开一坛。谨请诸位跟帖并各抒己见:

标题干脆便以【MONTREAL1999的“老潘,我建议你挑头成立一个移民间互相帮助,互相排解烦恼的组织。”作为引子吧。

再次祝大家新年快乐,万事胜意!
作者: peterpan1668    时间: 2008-1-3 09:34
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我也一直在关注peterpan的帖子,如果大家想聚聚聊聊,别忘了叫上我,都是过来人,我也想出点力。

加联华
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一定支持


   有点新年的春风气息,呵呵
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我们因团结互助而共同进步,是为共赢。

Richard He
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是真的吗?

   普通百姓一般是善良的,我家就长时间得到两家香港老移民的真诚帮助。如果真有良好的组织,相信这个社区会日益显现其生命力的。

美好的祝愿与期盼!

作者: montreal1999    时间: 2008-1-3 13:59
标题: 我一定积极参与。
我一定积极参与。
作者: musicheart    时间: 2008-1-4 00:00
我来了,尽管我这段时间会很忙,但我还是先报个名,希望能为华人朋友做点贡献,最重要的是,希望能尽自己的微薄之力,让悲剧不再发生。
后续的事情,可能还会求助于大家,但是还不确定,我在等事情的进展。
作者: peterpan1668    时间: 2008-1-4 08:37
谢谢诸位的信任;在 聚到一定人气的时候,我会牵头请大家会面商讨 。改变自身民族的劣根性不是我们一两代人能够完成的。但事情总得有人去做--所以由此意愿的同胞们,为了我们的自身,更为了我们在海外的子孙后代在异国他 乡生活得美满幸福,不要在乎他人有没有做,由我们自身的努力使其作为一个好的开端吧!

请有此意愿的朋友
社区活动公告 Bulletin Board 的栏目中老潘, 我建议你挑头成立一个移民间互相帮助, 互相排解烦恼的组织。【回复MONTREAL1999】 帖。谢谢:)

作者: mark1970    时间: 2008-1-4 08:58
支持老潘!!:cool:
作者: peak11    时间: 2008-1-4 16:17
致老潘:好的,我等着您的好消息。很高兴有一天能看到大家拧成一股劲,而不是相互抱怨和指责,如果每人都奉献一点点的爱,从我做起,这里的华人世界就会很精彩。但愿这一天早日来到,我们翘首以待。
作者: forte    时间: 2008-1-5 00:31
我算一个。希望是不带任何宗教,政治,地域色彩的团队,
作者: honesty328    时间: 2008-1-5 17:40
支持,如需要,我可以尽我微薄之力
作者: Beckham    时间: 2008-1-5 17:47
潘先生,无意冒犯您,只是回忆一件事情。

三四年前,我刚到蒙城没多久,在mcgill的网站上看到您租房的帖子,给您打了电话约了时间我就去了。当时您不在,您母亲接待的我,带我看了看房子。后来您回来,我说房间有点小感觉也贵了点,您说了一句话,大意是"我的房子,没有租给中国人过”。

待久了看多了帖子,感觉您在华人圈德高望重。但想起您的那句话,总觉得有点刺耳。当然这都是我的个人感受,如有冒犯或是我把人弄错了,还请指点。
作者: peterpan1668    时间: 2008-1-5 18:23
新年好。你没说错,我曾经是这样回答你的。既然你已来了有几年,我相信你已经理解我的意思了(事实上原先我也有少许中国新移民暂住的)--因为房价和居住的区域是有密切关系的;其次中国新来的可能是经济的客观原因,往往没有看房子便开始杀价,故就我经验而言,租给其他国际留学生往往少一些是非。我只是实话实说;并没有其它的意思。这些想来等哪天你自己做了屋主或许你便会有所体会。

我出租房子的方式和我为华人社团尽自己的微薄之力应该没有概念冲突。其次,原本我几乎不和华人社团打交道;因为我的客源几乎都是当地人。我真正关心华人社团是在我本人落难之后。为什么我愿意为大家做一些力所能及的事情,这些都可以在我的博客中有所体会了解。【珍惜人生,互助互爱http://blog.wenxuecity.com/myindex.php?blogID=14670
Post by Beckham
潘先生,无意冒犯您,只是回忆一件事情。

三四年前,我刚到蒙城没多久,在mcgill的网站上看到您租房的帖子,给您打了电话约了时间我就去了。当时您不在,您母亲接待的我,带我看了看房子。后来您回来,我说房间有点小感觉也贵了点,您说了一句话,大意是"我的房子,没有租给中国人过”。

待久了看多了帖子,感觉您在华人圈德高望重。但想起您的那句话,总觉得有点刺耳。当然这都是我的个人感受,如有冒犯或是我把人弄错了,还请指点。

作者: montreal1999    时间: 2008-1-5 18:26
标题: 我提议我们选个时间大家聚一下.
我提议我们选个时间大家聚一下.

就像peak11 所说"如果每人都奉献一点点的爱,从我做起,这里的华人世界就会很精彩。".

的确, 只要"一点点的爱".
作者: mfeous    时间: 2008-1-7 14:53
after i read your story, my sympathy goes to you. i feel sorry for all you have suffered all these years.

just a few side thoughts:

- it does not seem to me it is clear what happend to your ex-wife in your article. could you explain if you do not mind?

- you seem go a little bit far and extreme for the perception of this socity, i don't think you can find perfect justice anywhere. Besides, we can not blame anybody if we do not know the laws or regulations.
作者: peterpan1668    时间: 2008-1-7 16:41
To mfeous: Thanks for your sympathy. Actually I got it over already, and I do believe everything happen suppose have a reason. If I didn't pass through these stages, my spritual will never reach to this level.

For the question about my late wife (she was not my ex-wife because she died in our marriage period), you may also find from my one of the article
惜别―谨献给我的爱妻翠琴[全文]
http://blog.wenxuecity.com/blogview.php?date=200611&postID=9104   

For the legal and justice system, I disagreed of your opinion. I hope you might get picture from the conversation between one of my lawyer and me:

Peter: Why no one want do anything to fix those holes with the law and the legal justice systam since it created more victims and hurting more people?

The lawyer: No one really want to fix even we all realized...

Peter: Why?

The lawyer: It's simple--where could we able to make more argments if the law and system are perfect...
Peter: :confused:

And I got an answer much later when I was on a trip, which was a Swedish man who woke me up, and he said to me,"you still don't know why? Look at US and your country, both are the politians are came from lawyers..."

Canada is good country when you don't meet those bad lucks, so put your fingers cross. If you would like to have more discussion about this, I will make myself avaialble to meet you in person to continue this discussion.

HAPPY NEW YEAR
作者: peterpan1668    时间: 2008-1-8 07:26
你好,恕我眼生,一时想不起来用此化名的是哪一位老朋友。:confused:不过没有关系,这本是吃力不讨好的差事。能多一位老朋友愿意参与奉献也就多一份力量:)在此代诸位先谢了!:wink:
Post by @#$%
潘振国,你也太势力了吧?怎么把多年的老朋友忘记了?:rolleyes: ;)

作者: peak11    时间: 2008-1-8 11:01
在这一点上我同意潘先生的。记得我刚刚来的时候,认识一位朋友,我们熟悉后,她经常对我说,千万不要和新移民有什么,他们特积贼,给我讲了各种各样的故事。我当时觉得她怎么这样瞧不起人呢?我也是新移民呀。可是后来先后发生了几件事让我吃惊又觉得无奈,举个很小的小例子吧,一次我请新认识的朋友(也是新来的)一家做客,准备得可以说很丰盛,没有想到的是两个孩子到我家以后,竟然像没有吃过东西一样,见什么要什么,并问我要带回家。而且孩子的妈妈说,拿吧,阿姨不在乎,并对我说,来了后,什么都不舍得买,看什么乘5(当时的汇率)都贵,我当然不会拒绝。后来,有一次那位妈妈麻烦我带着她的孩子去超市买东西,孩子指着这个那个说妈妈不买,什么都要,发生几次后,我心里很不是滋味,我不怪孩子,孩子懂什么呢。可是家长让我无话可说,就好像我是傻子一样,我花的也是人民币呀。接着又发生了几件事情,让我觉得很不可思议。人穷的时候,志就真的短了吗?慢慢的,我做自己的事,远离了中国人的圈子。也是最近工作有点闲,开始光顾这个网站多了,再说个苦笑不得的事吧,就在去年的中秋节,大家肯定记得COSTCO买月饼的热贴吧,当时有人说是假的等等,可是我没在意仍然发帖需求,一位大姐好心,看到我在帖子上说也想请人带,她就联系我,卖给我一盒,收了我税钱,并和我交待了很多,我看得出这位大姐是非常非常谨慎的人,唯恐人家怪她。后来又有人好心发贴说愿意帮人带,而且不加税,我看到后,想那位大姐肯定会以为我认为她占我便宜了,因为当时没有那位大姐的联系电话,我就发帖说,尽管付了点点的税,可还是感激不尽,我其实是想表达让她心里舒服点,不要在意那块八角的税钱。没有想到的是,本来是我和大姐两个人之间的沟通,却遭到了大家的误会和炮轰,说我本来就是不舒服,等等,甚至那位自愿帮人带月饼的好同志都质问我,什么时候帮我带收我税钱了,让我真的苦恼了一段时间,为什么大家在不知道事情真相的情况下要这样胡乱猜忌呢?一句话,就是没有基本的信任,这可能是通病吧。  

尽管发生些微不足道的小事,让我困惑过,苦恼过,可我还是相信应该有个积极阳光的核心,能够引导大家不要这样狭隘的生活,看得更远些,也活出精彩来。


QUOTE=peterpan1668]新年好。你没说错,我曾经是这样回答你的。既然你已来了有几年,我相信你已经理解我的意思了(事实上原先我也有少许中国新移民暂住的)--因为房价和居住的区域是有密切关系的;其次中国新来的可能是经济的客观原因,往往没有看房子便开始杀价,故就我经验而言,租给其他国际留学生往往少一些是非。我只是实话实说;并没有其它的意思。这些想来等哪天你自己做了屋主或许你便会有所体会。

我出租房子的方式和我为华人社团尽自己的微薄之力应该没有概念冲突。其次,原本我几乎不和华人社团打交道;因为我的客源几乎都是当地人。我真正关心华人社团是在我本人落难之后。为什么我愿意为大家做一些力所能及的事情,这些都可以在我的博客中有所体会了解。
作者: peterpan1668    时间: 2008-1-8 15:12
我还想补充一点:不要再有新老移民之分,海外华人社团已经够小的了;千万不要再分彼此。我们也是从新移民过来的--而初来之际我们亦有相同的抱怨,随着时间的推移才慢慢理解体会为什么老移民往往怕帮新移民的缘故。

另三年我开始正式透过网络、电话及直接见面为大家作一些力所能及之事时,一些和我差不多同期来的朋友们都好心的劝我不要做那些吃力不讨好的傻事而分心了对家人和亲友的关爱;而【华人互助联盟】的无疾而终便是一个实列。

为什么我还是持之以恒?是否我的思想真正升华到了很高的层次?可以明确的说这不是问题的关键所在。我之所以在【华人互助联盟】无疾而终至于仍决定持之以恒,实在是自身所经历过的坎坷人生,而我不希望在他人身上重演--因为这确实不是人过的日子!

PEAK11 类似的经历我想我们很多过来人都有过。最好的方法我想是新、老移民大家都作一些相应的调整,彼此都有一点奉献精神:我在筹建【华人互助联盟】时便说过:如果在蒙城已有一两个真正为我们海外华人申诉不平,争取权益的社团,其它形形式式的民间机构有没有都不再重要;想来今天此言仍然适用。

数年前,不但有人建议我领头组建民间团体,尚有人建议我领头组党参政的--我已说明我为什么不愿组党参政的本意,这些均可在我的博客中的某些章节体会到,故在此不再重复。
团结互助,海外华人的强盛之本! , 关于反对歧视提高华人地位和华人参政从政及其它 等。
这是我的博客:珍惜人生,互助互爱
http://blog.wenxuecity.com/myindex.php?blogID=14670

MENTREAL1999 的建议不错。为了不至于使此次聚会流产,我想还是等再聚结一些人气。聚会的形式不妨以另三年的【SUNDAY DISCUSSION】并透过类似的聚会为大家解决一些实际需求,从而再进一步讨论存在的形式及运作的方式。不知诸位尊意如何?
作者: peterpan1668    时间: 2008-1-8 19:42
TO [QUOTE=@#$%]:

我无所谓你如何评价我本人。我在此坐不改名,言不改姓。金无实足,人无完人。我和你一样都是凡夫俗子。况且我既不为名又不为利,又在乎你说什么我的不是?我也懒得追究你究竟是何方绅士,或哪一路朋友,是友是敌均不重要--即便你就是侵吞我家产的煞星何庆锐?!人们相信我,我为众人尽一点绵力,如果以为我在沽名钓誉,那么我乐得在家享受天伦之乐:)

还得谢谢你的恭维:)
作者: peterpan1668    时间: 2008-1-9 00:19
何卿锐,不要以为民法三年一过你便逍遥法外了;也不要以为两年前因我在 MAISONNNUEVE 东街发现你以侵占我的财产开设的 HE'S RESTAURANT 而草草收场便以为相安无事。刑事是没有期限的。总有一天你还得露尾;其次扪心自问,靠趁人之危,侵占他人家业发达的你就生活得那么心安理得吗?!
作者: peterpan1668    时间: 2008-1-9 09:04
To mfeous: Look at over our overseas Chinese society--yes, lots of Chinese have money, because we work harder; but we didn't receive equal treatment from the majority society in many ways. Yes, today the situation is better than before, but still. It's hard to explain to you unless you might experience it by your own.

To 圆明园: I agreed with you and you made very good points here  "together we can build trust. " Let's try our best!

By the way, the thread removed to           社区活动公告 Bulletin Board:
老潘, 我建议你挑头成立一个移民间互相帮助, 互相排解烦恼的组织。【回复MONTREAL1999】

Welcome to join the discussion HAPPY NEW YEAR TO ALL

mfeous:
i recieved your reply, but i don't know why someone delete the whole thread.

- allow me to ask you one question: suppose you had won your case in the court, would you change the way how you perceive the canada and quebec justice system? why or why not?

i really apprecite your intentions and all the efforts you made to help the others, but i can not agree on one thing you said at least: we chinese are too soft, we need to stand up to fight for our interests. personlly i think it is the opposite way: we chinese are too aggressive, not physcially in most of cases, but in our mind. this is becasue of the known reason: we are broght up by the mandate: we need to fight for the best, we have compete with each other to get the houseing, school..... anyting you can name it. to prove that, you can miss this phenomenon in this forum, there are so many people want to sue someone for just a tiny issue.

to fit in a new socity, we need time and patience. what is more, we need to change our mind set. fighting is definitely not the right way to solve any problems, rather than putt us in more troubles.

i am not saying we should not pretect our rights. however, we must learn to be more tolerent to others! isn/t what the buddist teaching in which you believe?

圆明园:
mfeous, i can't agree more with you.
it is very important to have rule of law.
however, to make it work we must build trust, trust between individuals.

together we can build trust.
1. to be fair, any exchange must be mutually beneficial
2. to be honest, yesterday's deal may look stupid, but we must honor our commitment
3. if we do it all the time, we will have a trust worthy reputation, it will make everything easy.
                                                                                                                                                       __________________
                                Be  the change you wish to see in the world
作者: peterpan1668    时间: 2008-1-9 15:35
For certain point, I agreed with you--and it made me recall about 10 years ago when I was chatting with girl from Indonisia who hate our Chinese with no reason...

We were chatting each other a few weeks already, and everything seem smooth also gentle with all the coversation we had; but suddenly she stopped to chat with me when I told her that I am a Chinese.

To make a story short, I brought her back and asking her why, and I made her understood the reason why a lot of Chinese has business to run also own properties, which just a few of them even they are the original people here (it happened at most of eastern/Southern countries in Asian).

Finally we became friends again. You made a good point here as you mentioned; but how to solution? To be involved with majority sociaty, involve with the politic and the legal justice system.

Yes, we do have to adjust ourselves to feet in the majority society, but It not enough to accept as you mentioned of "the goverment will not let you starve and die. " because we are equal as same like the majority people here.

As you believe I am over reacting with the treatment I received; not a problem, I am willing to meet you in person and to let you see by your own eyes before you confirm your this conclusion

Nice to exchange our thoughts; but I would more pleased to discuss with you at the thread I already link it to you:
    社区活动公告 Bulletin Board:
老潘, 我建议你挑头成立一个移民间互相帮助, 互相排解烦恼的组织。【回复MONTREAL1999】

        Quote:
                                                                                            Originally Posted by mfeous
                                "lots of Chinese have money, because we work harder"

this is the root for lots of problems. because of the money, lots of us work like a dog, no life at all, because of money or career, lots of us even send their babies back to china and let their grandparnets to take care of them.....
some people might argue they have no choices. it is nonesense! why do you need a big house? why do you have to have cable? why do you need cellphone..., worst of worst, even if you don't have any of above things, the goverment will not let you starve and die.

re ajust our thinking and have a balanced view of the life, this is what i am talking about

i think you overreacted to say "we didn't receive equal treatment from the majority society in many ways". frankly speaking, i think this is a firely justed society in many ways, but defineity it is not perfect.

i had similar expreince, but i don't blame the system. simply you and i can not use one or 2 inccidents to make the conclusion.

                                                            

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                     
作者: mfeous    时间: 2008-1-9 22:45
i might be blind, since i really could not find anything recorded in your article saying what happped before your late wife (you are right, this is the proper name) was sent to hospital. what you said is too vague and unclear. if it is not private,and if you don't mind, could you give some details here as  you blamed  the  doctor did  not do enough, but rather literally killed her.

the conversation you quoted between you and your lawyer below sounds familiar as we see it quite ofen in the movie. it might tells some of the reality of this society, but definitely is not true. it only prooved what you said you made a wrong decsion: you had a crooked lawyer.

to form some kind of group to help others, it sounds good, but it is not prectical and it will not last long. just like the one died in the water as you mentioned before. sorry, i am pouring the cold water here. but why? because there is no foundation and driven power behind your motivation. your desire will dry up, your strength will run out and you will feel tired someday because you are lacking of a real spiritual motivation.
Post by peterpan1668
To mfeous: Thanks for your sympathy. Actually I got it over already, and I do believe everything happen suppose have a reason. If I didn't pass through these stages, my spritual will never reach to this level.

For the question about my late wife (she was not my ex-wife because she died in our marriage period), you may also find from my one of the article
惜别―谨献给我的爱妻翠琴[全文]
http://blog.wenxuecity.com/blogview.php?date=200611&postID=9104   

For the legal and justice system, I disagreed of your opinion. I hope you might get picture from the conversation between one of my lawyer and me:

Peter: Why no one want do anything to fix those holes with the law and the legal justice systam since it created more victims and hurting more people?

The lawyer: No one really want to fix even we all realized...

Peter: Why?

The lawyer: It's simple--where could we able to make more argments if the law and system are perfect...
Peter: :confused:

And I got an answer much later when I was on a trip, which was a Swedish man who woke me up, and he said to me,"you still don't know why? Look at US and your country, both are the politians are came from lawyers..."

Canada is good country when you don't meet those bad lucks, so put your fingers cross. If you would like to have more discussion about this, I will make myself avaialble to meet you in person to continue this discussion.

HAPPY NEW YEAR

作者: peterpan1668    时间: 2008-1-9 23:22
To mfeous: I don't know if you too naive to see or you didn't ready read my article 惜别―谨献给我的爱妻翠琴[全文] before you alreay jump to the conclusion? From my article of chapter 八、不测, which already mentioned very clear. I rather discuss with you in person and and don't mind to show you the proof I am holding for.

And I don't know how much did you had experiences to deal with lawyers by your own? And I also don't know what is your professional here, just look at majority society with the complaints to lawyers; by then I don't know why you still so blind? But as I mentioned before, there are no totally lawyers fault to be in that way, which you may find from my another article of:              探讨-如何尽可能的避免掉入不良律师的陷阱?
作者: huahualala    时间: 2008-1-10 13:50
不要老瞪着别人的过去.

如果潘先生做过对不起你的事,也是过去了.也许他现在已经后悔和开始做善事.你看,他发了很多贴子帮助别人解答疑问,已经不错了.

得饶人处且饶人.因为一切皆有报应.
Post by @#$%
象潘振国这种社会坯子,势力小人,政治流氓来组织活动,是对活动,是对活动纯洁性的玷污和亵渎!!!

作者: mfeous    时间: 2008-1-10 14:51
not much. but i believe they are just like any other proffesionals. there are good and bad ones. why should you use your case to judge many of them?

you think you have all the evidents to prove you should win the case, but that is just you think. that is why we have judge to decide becasue everybody thinks as you do.

i don't want to go into details if you are right or not, it is not upon my judement. what i want to say is: this is relatively fair socity, we must look at it in a more positive way.

And I don't know how much did you had experiences to deal with lawyers by your own? And I also don't know what is your professional here, just look at majority society with the complaints to lawyers; by then I don't know why you still so blind? But as I mentioned before, there are no totally lawyers fault to be in that way, which you may find from my another article of: 探讨-如何尽可能的避免掉入不良律师的陷阱?[/QUOTE]
作者: peterpan1668    时间: 2008-1-10 22:11
TO 【[email="=@#$%"]=@#$%[/email]】:

If you believe that I did some thing wrong to you in the past, then show your real name like me, and bring the fact with your evidence, and I am ready with you to face justice. I already sent my request to SINOQUEBEC this webiste to reserve my rights for what you libeled to me on this thread. The way you are doing here is totally libel, and I am warning you to stop and remove all the libels you posted here immediately, otherwise I will take further legal action to claim my honor damages from you.

潘振国 (PETERPAN1668)
作者: peterpan1668    时间: 2008-1-10 22:52
To mfeous:

I don't know what is your reall prefessional, and what is your position here? If as you said you also got similar experience like me, then why don't you post your experiences to share your comment and benefiting to the others?

Besides, I am at here did not totally blame the system--even we had perfect system, and if some people who operating the system, but didn't really follow with the system we suppose benefited, by then you still believe you will receive a better treatment?

About legal system, I think better you go to library to do some research, then you may get the reslut of how many cases kicked out from court, not because don't have strong evidences or proofs, which were rejected by those tricky lawyers with the legal process step.

Take the words I received from one of the officer with Justice du Quebec: "I am sorry to tell you that, no money and no justice..."

This will be the last time I replied to you: Again, because I check what you totally posted under your this web with name of 【mfeous】, which only 6 posts, and 5 of posts were replied to me here; and I don't know what else web name you also used at here? Especially, you refused to meet in person even I am offering to show you everything what I am holding for. It not just waste my time, also you confused people here.

For the last, I don't really mind if some one willing to replace me here to provide free information and services here, which I also don't mind if some one willing to be a leader to oganize the group in order to help each other; although some of already wish me to be in the past and in this time:

Because my point here is: I wish less people to experience of the life as I experiences, because it is not life, and totlally not worse it. To the end, I am out of picture here, and wish best of luck to all!
作者: UHP    时间: 2008-1-11 00:41
Is it true as described by this guy?

Post by @#$%
潘振国是一个爱材如命的势力小人!此人才1987年来上海.是个十足的势力眼,社会游子,大家别被他的花言巧语,表面现象所欺骗!!!:eek!: :eek!: :eek!:

作者: peterpan1668    时间: 2008-1-11 01:59
为了我的清白,以视正听,我将我收到的信息公布与此,发信人和指明谁是真正的【@#$%】的真名我便省略了:
潘先生:

那个用"
      @#$%"之名在Sinoquebec 上大骂你的人("潘振国是一个爱材如命的势力小人!此人才 1987年来上海.是个十足的势力眼 ,社会游子,大家别被他的花言巧语 ,表面现象所欺骗!") ,名叫:X X

我的回复:


peper pan
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0:45 (0分钟前) 谢谢您的提醒。

XX,这人我很清楚。当时我筹建 OPIUM THAI, 他来荐工;声称因大脑损伤没有完成工程师,但是有执照的厨师,
他是一位有精神障碍、大脑受过损伤的人;出于同情才准备留用等开张后让他作一些力所能及的工作的(他在我筹建期间除了参加我的聚会吃吃饭之外,从未做过丁点事情)。

后来我的 OPIUM THAI 的项目流产了。他便一直来我家走动。我们家里每个人都认识他。而且当他因和他妻子纠纷关在监狱时还是我援手设法为他解除困境的。我即便不说对他有恩,也从未亏待过他;我们全家对他除了同情还是同情--因为他很少得到周围的尊重。

后来他失踪了。当时他整天叫我大哥,大哥的,他的大脑是非常迟钝,不过是非理智还是有的。我无法想象他会做这种损人不利己的事情。而且他应该也不清楚我哪年来加的。。。

不知你是否有一定的根据?

再次谢谢你的信息。


  

作者: 加联华    时间: 2008-1-11 02:29
标题: 参考意见
对于 mfeous 的很多观点和感受,我身有同感。这里想就事论事说一点自己的看法,供参考,不当处,请谅解和指正,先谢过。
Post by mfeous
  to form some kind of group to help others, it sounds good, but it is not prectical and it will not last long.

我认为有组织的帮助别人,不仅听起来是好的,实际上也是好的,我以前也从潘先生的帖子获得过不少帮助,相信受益的不只我一人。否则也不会有人建议他来牵头。之所以应该组织起来,相信也是仁者见仁,智者见智。但对于新移民,一个或多个组织的存在必然是好的,可以满足他们多方面的需求。而一个组织则很难满足各种需求。如果是老移民, 互助平台作的好的话,应该可以为强强合作带来更多的契机.

如果说不实际,难以持续,这确实是组织者应该考虑的事情,但决不仅仅只是组织者要考虑。我以为只要有人做,就比没有人做要好。以前做的,不完善,以后可以改进,而不至于又是全新的探索,从0开始,那样实际上效率更低下;这批人做的不好,或不成功,后来的人可以借鉴经验,从而作的更好。

组织活动帮助人到底实际与否,关键在于有没有人需要帮助,有多少人有相似的求助需求。如果很多人有类似的需求,而这种需求又不容易通过自己获得,那么一个互助的平台就可能不仅能解决需求,而且是帮助很多人解决了同样的问题,效率是高的。而如果大家根本不存在共同类似的需求,互助平台当然是不实际了。

要把好事做好做大,确实必须考虑可持续性的发展。这不只决定于组织者。如果是一件好事,是一个好的方向,组织者当然起到带动作用,但持续性同样取决于有相关需求人的相应,甚至带动很多人成为新的组织者,将更多互助方向作的更好,更细.

事实上, 单靠一两个人的力量和知识, 确实会干涸. 如果参与人的目的是互助, 那么就不必依赖于组织者,组织者更主要的作用在于搭建一个平台,起到带动作用, 持续性的互助在于大家.

基于互助的平台, 用心参与者必然有付出,有收获. 而且一个人的付出将有很多人得到帮助, 同样他/她得到的收获也来自很多人, 这样的收获一般会是比个人独立获取来的全面.

一个好的互助平台,将有可能获得政府的资助, 从而利于其持续性地发展下去.  
Post by mfeous
...  because you are lacking of a real spiritual motivation.
不知道是否属实, 但我以为这不是那么重要. 也应该不妨碍一个热心人做好事, 能做多少, 做多少;能做多久,就做多久; 一个人的事业能够持续,当然是好事, 但万一不能, 也没关系; 比如过程中带动了其他人接力, 也就有可能持续下去了.

所以我以为, 我们也许可以帮助成全一件好事, 比如建议如何可以实现持续; 而不是直接阻止,即使那阻止是带有善意的.

仅供参考.
作者: mfeous    时间: 2008-1-11 15:07
My profession has nothing to do with what we are talking about. You touched some of the facts from the examples you gave below, but for sure it is not the global picture of our heath, legal systems and society.



I think you are too negative about everything: you blamed the doctor for your late wife’s death (which what really happened still remains unknown from your article to me and someone else who asked same question before); you blamed the lawyer for ripping off you and judge and whole legal system after you lost the lawsuit.



But to me, your case is nothing but about a money or business dispute. It appears you still have that anger from what happened to you deep down in your heart, even you proclaimed you have completely recovered. I can not judge you by saying: that is the real motive why you want to help others, but to certain extent, it has some impact on what you are doing. You think you are mistreated by this society; you want to tell others the same thing.  But Helping others is not just by telling people where to complain and how to bring somebody to court. What we immigrants desperately need is a fresh way of thinking and right view of the work, money, and everything.



I hope you will get out this trap and look forward to discussing with you more.

Post by peterpan1668
To mfeous:

I don't know what is your reall prefessional, and what is your position here? If as you said you also got similar experience like me, then why don't you post your experiences to share your comment and benefiting to the others?

Besides, I am at here did not totally blame the system--even we had perfect system, and if some people who operating the system, but didn't really follow with the system we suppose benefited, by then you still believe you will receive a better treatment?

About legal system, I think better you go to library to do some research, then you may get the reslut of how many cases kicked out from court, not because don't have strong evidences or proofs, which were rejected by those tricky lawyers with the legal process step.

Take the words I received from one of the officer with Justice du Quebec: "I am sorry to tell you that, no money and no justice..."

This will be the last time I replied to you: Again, because I check what you totally posted under your this web with name of 【mfeous】, which only 6 posts, and 5 of posts were replied to me here; and I don't know what else web name you also used at here? Especially, you refused to meet in person even I am offering to show you everything what I am holding for. It not just waste my time, also you confused people here.

For the last, I don't really mind if some one willing to replace me here to provide free information and services here, which I also don't mind if some one willing to be a leader to oganize the group in order to help each other; although some of already wish me to be in the past and in this time:

Because my point here is: I wish less people to experience of the life as I experiences, because it is not life, and totlally not worse it. To the end, I am out of picture here, and wish best of luck to all!

作者: 圆明园    时间: 2008-1-11 15:59
Post by peterpan1668
The way you are doing here is totally libel, and I am warning you to stop and remove all the libels you posted here immediately, otherwise I will take further legal action to claim my honor damages from you.
  
what happened to innocent until proven guilty?
who gave you the right to determine "totally libel"?
are you the law of this land?
i am wondering at which place you will take "further legal action? this crooked justice system?
作者: peterpan1668    时间: 2008-1-12 09:11
我一再说过,改变民族的劣根性不是我们一两代人能够完成的;因此,不计较他人有没有做,也不计较做多少,为我,为你,更为了我们的子孙后代在海外生活得幸福美好,凡是由自己做起。

在此,我必须奉劝要我领头并有志为华人社团作些公益的人士,我曾经提过张锦辉先生为华人社团的公益出钱出力而遭受的不公,看看03年所谓中国文化节期间我所遭受的及此次发生的诽谤,你是否仍有信心和决心立志为华人社团的公益出力?有一点是必须提醒的,出钱出力还是其次的--你的身心,包括你的家人是否能承受那种无中生有的攻击、诬蔑和诽谤?

好在鄙人一不为升官发财,二不为借此炒作以便作为竞选及参政从政的台阶。网名【@#$%】的也好,冒名或真名“李璠”、【李璠 大皇帝】及形形色色的等等亦罢,由于我没有任何政治或经济利益的企图,因此你们的攻击、诬蔑和诽谤,虽然损害了我的名誉,却无法伤动我的筋骨。至于其中威胁的种种,无论你要把我告上法庭或和你对搏公堂今后大家都看得到。

最后摘录一段友人的回复:振国好:

我看了你发来的link,  建议你不必介入这种无意义的纠纷,华人社区的不团结你我都没有力量解决,新移民有困难应该去找政府,这也是我当初不建议你做这些事的初衷。

还是像几年前那样,我建议你忘记这些不愉快地事情,纯属人身攻击的无稽之谈也不会有人相信的,而且本来也没几个人去看这些帖子,何必为此而影响了你的心情,而忽略了享乐自己美好家庭的幸福呢?

我一直相信:living  well is the best revenge!

祝你和你的家人2008年健康快乐!
作者: peterpan1668    时间: 2008-1-12 13:10
有人问我,“老潘: 你连自己的利益和名誉都不能维护, 谁会相信你组织的组织能维护大家的利益和名誉?”

其实这个问题不但问得好,而且问得很有探讨性。我已经说过,如果在我们海外华人圈子如已有一二个实实在在为华人权益据理力争的话,其它形形式式的民间团体的存在与否不再重要,何必再组建一个什么新的团体?

但【华人互助联盟】的无疾而终以至流产使我明白了已存在的民间团体生存所不为人知的种种艰辛;这便是于05年我放弃以【华人互助联盟】出现,而仅以个人名义继续为大家作些力所能及之事的原因所在。

至于一个民间组织能否为大家维护权益,这在黑人和犹太社团均已获得有力的佐证。但是人家的成功未必将成为我们社团的成功。其它的暂且不说,就看看这个网站的论坛--我们都是过来人,大家均可从中找到结论。这也便是我不再热衷于组建团体的原因所在。

事情总得有人去做,不然不但我们自己没有希望,而我们的后代乃至我们的民族之希望又将何在?然远的不说,仅看此次有人为我挑了个头,八字尚无一撇,污水却已经铺天盖地的卷来了。为他人尽一些绵力,化一些精力钱财尚为其次,然看看这令人心寒的残酷现实,有谁仍敢前赴后继?这实在是我们海外华人社团的悲哀。。。
作者: huahualala    时间: 2008-1-12 13:26
潘老.我很尊敬你.

可是我是新移民,不了解你和其他人过去的纠纷和是非.

关键是你要取得大家的信任,俗话说:无风不起浪.

你也许应该说明一下你和某些人的是非到底是什么情况.
作者: montreal1999    时间: 2008-1-12 14:54
标题: 大家好.我是建议老潘"挑头成立一个移民间互相帮助, 互相排解烦恼的组织。&a
大家好.

我是建议老潘"挑头成立一个移民间互相帮助, 互相排解烦恼的组织。"的人.

我和老潘也不认识, 他也不知道我是谁, 只不过经常在网上读到老潘的一些帖子, 觉得老潘是一个乐于助人的人, 起码我是相信他的.就像网上另外一位"加联华".我也很敬佩他.

之所以我建议老潘挑头成立一个移民间互相帮助, 互相排解烦恼的组织, 主要是上次麦大博士自杀的事, 是我觉得我们中国移民在加拿大的处境还是比较艰难, 大家都有各种各样的问题, 经济上的, 精神上的, 身体上的....  所以希望有一个组织能互相帮助, 哪怕互相聊聊天, 相互出出主意, 开解开解也行.

我也不知道老潘和其他人的纠纷, 也不关心.每个人有自己的看法和自己做人做事的价值观.

从这个帖子看, 以前有人说"中国人的劣根性", 我觉得并非空穴来风.做实事的少, 还要接受冷嘲热讽.

我还是原来的态度, 希望有一个这么样的组织. 我一定尽我能力,积极参与.


还是第一次发这么长的帖子.谢谢!


作者: peterpan1668    时间: 2008-1-12 23:07
国人虽然喜欢明哲保身,但都不是弱智,是非曲直谁都心知肚明。在此声称为“李幡”的,其本人根本无法享受 YOUTH SUPPORT PROGRAM 的$6,000.00 加元的补助,从何谈起可被人利用诈骗政府资助资金一说?因此此人是否“李幡”本人本来已不可信。

能否取得诸位信任--鄙人在为华人社团尽绵力之初便已声明;既然我一不为名,二不为利,我又为何在乎能否取得信任与否?只是遭受这种攻击、谩骂和侮辱对谁均不公平。华人社团之间互相侮辱的手段谁不了解?你越解释只会越描越黑,而攻击者也越来越来。

何况,我自始自终是以真名实姓出现,然其不但躲在隐处不露真人,还不断的变化网名--看看这几个网名和发的那么仅仅几个回帖便一目了然。因此我已无必要再回此类帖子,如有一天其人以真人出现,那么是非曲直也就一目了然了。

如果任何一位想了解是非真相,在我的博客及中外文网站均有涉及,且都是真名实姓。我既然公开了,便敢承担法律责任;更不怕这些人来告我。不过在此还是谢谢你和诸位朋友的关心。

Post by huahualala
潘老.我很尊敬你.

可是我是新移民,不了解你和其他人过去的纠纷和是非.

关键是你要取得大家的信任,俗话说:无风不起浪.

你也许应该说明一下你和某些人的是非到底是什么情况.

作者: 0123456789    时间: 2008-1-13 04:41
标题: 笑可笑之人
我对@#$%的言行嗤之以鼻,他不敢以真实身份示人,无从知道他实际生活中的。但看他这里的表现(),面目昭然:

- ID 有些别扭
@#$%
- 自己不敢说自己是谁,更不敢站出来,只是躲在后面骂人
- 要别人他公开道歉,别人要都象他那样,这里不知道成什么样了
- 别人在讨论华人社团利益的大事时,他是以那样的面目呈现,臭了自己也就罢了,让别人闻
臭就是没有公德

- 我预料它看这帖,继续骂,那是它的长处
- 我就任它继续跳,继续,继续,累了为止

作者: peterpan1668    时间: 2008-1-13 15:08
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My name is Pan, Zhen Guo (潘振国), Peter is my English official name. As everyone knew, I started to use 【peterpan1668】at your website to make my announcement and helping people since 2003.

During the time till today, three times happened to me received libels from your web BBS. And I noticed that if it happened with some one your web found it infective, those thread removed by your web managers very quickly, otherwise it just let stay even people appointed to your web managers directly and indirectly (links below 【2】 and 【4】).

I do understand that for your beneficial, your web might let some threads to stay in order to get more clicks from the web users, but your web should not use different of measurement to treat case like this especially people who already made requests and appointed out (link below
【3】).

I also recall back to year 2003 and 2004: one forum of your web BBS as today became 【
人在魁北克 Being in Quebec】; it was 【你说我说 You say and I say】. From that point, your web also made a prescribe (link below【1】). To resolve this issue privately, I send twice electronic mail, also I tried to communicate by phone and post mail; unfortunately it didn't appeal neither phone number nor post address.

By then, I posted my electronic mail on 【
社区活动公告 Bulletin Board】forum of your web BBS. Surprisingly, your web no one care of my requests, also no one care some people appointed to your web BBS management (links 【2】 and 【4】) .

To protect my legal rights from the libels I received through from your web BBS, I request your web to remove those libels immediately, and I reserve my legal rights to claim the damages of my honour and reputation from your website.

Peter Zhenguo Pan (潘振国)

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交友联谊> >这个栏目里许多贴子, 我们就会找到答案了。往往某人建一楼, 马上就有人去折楼, 以后就是相互攻击、漫骂、讽刺挖苦、威慑恐吓,中国人伤中国人。无故被自己的同胞辱骂, 必然会对其他中国人不再信任, 不再愿意帮助他(她)们, 哪怕是举手之劳, 也不干了。
Montreal成年华人不过3万,大家彼此都需要在自已有困难的时候得到别人的帮助! 大家说是不是?

<<交友联谊>>是交友联谊的地方,不是制造仇敌的地方!

在这件事件中, Sinoquebec的网管是否也应该有所作为呢?
作者: peterpan1668    时间: 2008-1-13 23:54
For three times of libels:


作者: nightcatmtl    时间: 2008-1-14 04:46
一句话,太复杂的人事关系了..俺躲........
作者: peak11    时间: 2008-1-14 11:50
标题: 谣言止于智者
致潘先生:没想到这个帖子又成了老套式,让人感到遗憾,同时又看到要想真正做到华人群体的团结还有很长很长的路要走。但是,我想你潘先生如真想为大家做事,就应该不至于是没有气量的人,有的帖子的确是让人不舒服,可是要知道,您的气量多大,事业也就多大。过去的事情没有在这里澄清的必要,和为华人社区做事没有任何的关系,而且心底无私天地宽。我想您如果真的和这些人纠缠下去的话,那您会让曾经信任和鼓励您的人失望了,也违背了您当初在这里发帖的主旨。这是小与大的取舍,您看呢?

致憎恨潘先生的同志们:不管你们以前有什么恩怨,即使潘先生以前是一个十恶不赦的一级坏蛋,那么他今天觉醒了,想真心为大家做点事了,就应该给他一个机会。即使是罪犯也不都应该是无期徒刑吧?他们也有从新做人的权利。

谣言止于智者,建议大家书归正传!
作者: C&amp;C    时间: 2008-1-14 14:21
Losers总是纠缠于过去,希望大家放眼未来,别做无意义的争执了,大家时间都不多。
作者: C&amp;C    时间: 2008-1-14 14:26
我不认识潘先生,如果潘先生以前确实做过不好的事情,但现在能够放下屠刀,立地成佛,也是一件好事啊,为什么不给他一次机会呢?
作者: peak11    时间: 2008-1-14 16:56
如果这位潘先生过去真的做过错事,假如他在正视自己的过去之后,决定为大家做一件好事,那么我本人觉得他应该得到支持和鼓励,可能他会做得比一般人好,因为真正有经历的人才会懂怎样帮助别人。帮人不是施舍钱物,是应该让更多的人明白做人的道理。假如他依然在这里和过去纠缠,讨个你高我低,那可真是要质疑此人的境界了。
作者: peterpan1668    时间: 2008-1-14 19:36
本想就此住笔的,因为我已再三声明过我持之以恒为大家尽些绵力的初衷和本意。好在鄙人本来没有自身目的,更没有想借此沽名钓誉,或成为什么人物为今后参政从政添砖铺路,因此还不至于怕被一些小人的口水淹死。换言之,如果鄙人想借此为己谋私利,数年前便早就退了。

人非圣贤,孰能无过?然至于鄙人是否在过去做过什么伤天害理见不得光的事,蒙城华人的圈子就那么点,既然我自始自终以真名实姓出现,便不怕有人揭短。只是当我绝后再生为做善事,贴了钱财和精力,牺牲自家天伦之乐之外还得沉沦于无谓的口水仗,我想不论是谁均会觉得有点不值;而此亦是我们海外华人生存的悲哀所在。

有一点值得声明的是:鄙人自始自终不认为也不想借此成为什么领导或人物;况且我的性格秉性过于耿直,本来便不适宜。鄙人所作所为只是为了抛砖引玉,因此如有其他有志人士有意愿领头的不妨借此站出来为大家做意向实事。

附上一点望诸位借鉴:凡是受过他人帮助的,亦应该有助人之心并尽各自所能付诸实施,如此才能滴水聚源。不然无论个人、即或团体的行善均很难持之以恒。望大家好自为之。
作者: ToGo2008    时间: 2008-1-14 23:02
Post by peak11
致潘先生:没想到这个帖子又成了老套式,让人感到遗憾,同时又看到要想真正做到华人群体的团结还有很长很长的路要走。但是,我想你潘先生如真想为大家做事,就应该不至于是没有气量的人,有的帖子的确是让人不舒服,可是要知道,您的气量多大,事业也就多大。过去的事情没有在这里澄清的必要,和为华人社区做事没有任何的关系,而且心底无私天地宽。我想您如果真的和这些人纠缠下去的话,那您会让曾经信任和鼓励您的人失望了,也违背了您当初在这里发帖的主旨。这是小与大的取舍,您看呢?

致憎恨潘先生的同志们:不管你们以前有什么恩怨,即使潘先生以前是一个十恶不赦的一级坏蛋,那么他今天觉醒了,想真心为大家做点事了,就应该给他一个机会。即使是罪犯也不都应该是无期徒刑吧?他们也有从新做人的权利。

谣言止于智者,建议大家书归正传!


这才是二十一世纪的领袖!我愿意追随着您为华人的慈善事业鞠躬尽瘁死而不已。:rolleyes:
作者: ToGo2008    时间: 2008-1-14 23:04
Post by peak11
致潘先生:没想到这个帖子又成了老套式,让人感到遗憾,同时又看到要想真正做到华人群体的团结还有很长很长的路要走。但是,我想你潘先生如真想为大家做事,就应该不至于是没有气量的人,有的帖子的确是让人不舒服,可是要知道,您的气量多大,事业也就多大。过去的事情没有在这里澄清的必要,和为华人社区做事没有任何的关系,而且心底无私天地宽。我想您如果真的和这些人纠缠下去的话,那您会让曾经信任和鼓励您的人失望了,也违背了您当初在这里发帖的主旨。这是小与大的取舍,您看呢?

致憎恨潘先生的同志们:不管你们以前有什么恩怨,即使潘先生以前是一个十恶不赦的一级坏蛋,那么他今天觉醒了,想真心为大家做点事了,就应该给他一个机会。即使是罪犯也不都应该是无期徒刑吧?他们也有从新做人的权利。

谣言止于智者,建议大家书归正传!


这才是二十一世纪的领袖!我愿意追随着您为华人的慈善事业鞠躬尽瘁死而不僵。:rolleyes:
作者: peterpan1668    时间: 2008-1-15 09:59
经过这么一场风波,既然诸位仍由此意愿,也为了不失信于诸位,鄙人不妨再领一次头。枪打出头鸟;好在我没有以此谋利,况且也不在于再多一次被人诽谤。在此诚谢蒙城华人网及网管的重视和诸位的支持。

我提议于本星期日(2008年1月20日)下午1:00pm 在 DECARIE SQUARE (6900 Decarie)  二楼的吃食座位--即 WINNER 和礼品店之间那儿会面。内容包括:

有意者请跟帖并透过电子邮件和我联络:

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http://www.sinomontreal.ca/bbs/showthread.php?t=508860

作者: peak11    时间: 2008-1-15 12:32
凭这个回帖,老潘就值得尊重和信任。心胸和勇气也值得钦佩。一点小建议,潘先生为什么不提议到一家稍好些的餐厅用午餐并一起议事呢?或选家咖啡馆也不错呀?仅供参考。
作者: mfeous    时间: 2008-1-15 14:19
two comments:

- it is a shame that someone abuse our freedom, using this forum to spread rumors, peasonal attacks and name callings. on the other hand, sinoquebec should take full responsibility to allow this kind of things happen. i think sinoquebec should review their policies and enforce it. how can you delete something so quicky if someone did not pay and try to sell something, but  in the mean time, you could let a posting full of insults stay so long without doing anything.

no execuse!!!!!

- to Peterpan: i still have many views i wish we could exchange with you, but personally i think you should not rush any decsions yet. it is better to find some quite time to reflect and give yourself more time being with your family, including your daughter. have you asked what it got wrong? and how to fix the relation with your daughter?

this is more important than anything you should do now. i know it is your business, this is only my suggestion.
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My name is Pan, Zhen Guo (潘振国), Peter is my English official name. As everyone knew, I started to use 【peterpan1668】at your website to make my announcement and helping people since 2003.

During the time till today, three times happened to me received libels from your web BBS. And I noticed that if it happened with some one your web found it infective, those thread removed by your web managers very quickly, otherwise it just let stay even people appointed to your web managers directly and indirectly (links below 【2】 and 【4】).

I do understand that for your beneficial, your web might let some threads to stay in order to get more clicks from the web users, but your web should not use different of measurement to treat case like this especially people who already made requests and appointed out (link below
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I also recall back to year 2003 and 2004: one forum of your web BBS as today became 【
人在魁北克 Being in Quebec】; it was 【你说我说 You say and I say】. From that point, your web also made a prescribe (link below【1】). To resolve this issue privately, I send twice electronic mail, also I tried to communicate by phone and post mail; unfortunately it didn't appeal neither phone number nor post address.

By then, I posted my electronic mail on 【
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To protect my legal rights from the libels I received through from your web BBS, I request your web to remove those libels immediately, and I reserve my legal rights to claim the damages of my honour and reputation from your website.

Peter Zhenguo Pan (潘振国)

Jan. 13th 2008


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交友联谊> >这个栏目里许多贴子, 我们就会找到答案了。往往某人建一楼, 马上就有人去折楼, 以后就是相互攻击、漫骂、讽刺挖苦、威慑恐吓,中国人伤中国人。无故被自己的同胞辱骂, 必然会对其他中国人不再信任, 不再愿意帮助他(她)们, 哪怕是举手之劳, 也不干了。
Montreal成年华人不过3万,大家彼此都需要在自已有困难的时候得到别人的帮助! 大家说是不是?

<<交友联谊>>是交友联谊的地方,不是制造仇敌的地方!

在这件事件中, Sinoquebec的网管是否也应该有所作为呢?

作者: peterpan1668    时间: 2008-1-15 14:49
TO PEAK11 及诸位:

选择 DECARIE SQAURE 商场聚会的理由:

作者: peterpan1668    时间: 2008-1-20 16:42
由于 DECARIE SQUARE 二楼举办 ANTIQUE SALE SHOW, 原先我们聚会的场地因被占用,令前来赴会的朋友之间无法相聚,为此特向诸位表示歉意。

有法律方面需求的朋友,我已在聚会前特意联系了一家律师事务所;该事务所表示有诚意为华人团体提供法律服务。有此需要和仍有意参与并组织团体活动的朋友请致电子邮件至:peterpan1668@gmail.com

谢谢。


作者: ecm    时间: 2008-1-28 14:55
我支持老潘,据我了解,老潘是个很热心的好人,但是一个人的力量是薄弱的,希望大家可以把它做大,其实可以做成一个社会组织,政府是支持这样的机构的。
作者: huahua888    时间: 2008-2-9 00:15
挑拨是非的人, 心理是最阴暗的. 老潘不要上当。
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老潘这人是不错,但是可能干不了实事, 他口口声声法律,但对李蟠公开污蔑,他就没办法, 把他送上法庭,投进牢房, 再不行, 对这种流氓黑社会废了他,也是为民除害。

作者: Simon w.    时间: 2008-2-13 10:21
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由于 DECARIE SQUARE 二楼举办 ANTIQUE SALE SHOW, 原先我们聚会的场地因被占用,令前来赴会的朋友之间无法相聚,为此特向诸位表示歉意。

有法律方面需求的朋友,我已在聚会前特意联系了一家律师事务所;该事务所表示有诚意为华人团体提供法律服务。有此需要和仍有意参与并组织团体活动的朋友请致电子邮件至:peterpan1668@gmail.com

谢谢。






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