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作者: kimly    时间: 2010-11-14 16:57
标题: 一位前小店经营者的忠言
本人做了6年的小店,深知大家生存的艰辛,虽然几个月前卖了店,但仍感觉自己是大家中的一员。就各位兄弟与帝国的战争,本人有几点忠言。
1 从目前的局势来分析,广大便利店与帝国的战争注定是旷日持久的,大家要有心理准备。可能不是递交一两封抗议信、谈判一两次,搞几次抵制行动就能让帝国低头的。各个店应根据自己的实际情况调整好经营策略,在与帝国抗争的同时,也要确保自己的店能正常运转,毕竟生存第一位,大家都不容易,大家应相互理解。抗争中有人积极些、主动些,有人胆怯些、有人懦弱些,都是可以理解的。还有在抵制的行动中,头脑要清醒、理智,不希望作出一些偏激行为,给自己家庭及远在国内的亲人带来不幸。
2 加拿大是一个法制社会,这可能也是当初我们选择来加拿大定居的原因之一。大家在为自己的正当权益抗争时,无论成功与否,请不要放弃法律武器。虽然司法程序非常复杂、冗长,但毕竟是值得等待的。大家也许会想像帝国这样的大公司,财大气粗,早就养了一大群御用律师为其钻法律漏洞,为其擦屁股。这的确是事实,从最近帝国给安省韩国便利店协会的回信中,也证实了这一点(法律规定零售商不得向消费者直接推荐某一种香烟),网上大家的抵制行动中似乎有类似行为,请不要让帝国抓到明显的证据。但并非帝国的策略就是无暇可击的,因为多年来,帝国为追求利益,也是劣迹斑斑,丑行不断,官司缠身。如2008年因走私香烟被课以5.5亿加元的重罚、几年前因抛弃批发商而被COSTCO等起诉,安省政府索赔500亿加元等,说明帝国目前的措施并不一定是完全合法的。个人认为大家可留意联邦及魁省的烟草法、联邦竞争法等。主要有如下几个:
1 联邦烟草法(Tobacco Act)
2 魁省烟草税法(obacco Tax Act, R.S.Q. c.)
3 魁省烟草法(Tobacco Act)
4 魁省烟草新规定
5 联邦竞争法。
     可以从中找到一些有用的条款。大家可收集在与帝国打交道的过程中一些有用的证据,如是否曾按销量给回扣,在推广新烟时是否给过礼品,是否强迫性定价,此次事件中的合同、信函等,可从违反烟草销售法规和违反竞争法(价格歧视、歧视性价格补贴、胁迫定价、市场垄断)两个方向进行指控。当然,大家也借机对比法律,检点自己是否有不规范行为,避免被帝国抓住把柄。
3 巧妙利用控烟组织。大家当然不愿与它沾惹上,它目前也不会站出来放啥屁。但一段时间后,情形会改变。因为在这次事件后(如半年或一年,可浏览帝国网站或其股票),帝国的烟草销量可能会出现三种情形:1)大幅度上升;2)明显减少;3)基本持平。后两种情况说明帝国的策略有问题,它自己就可能找台阶下。第一种情况是我们大家最不愿意接受的,也是控烟组织不希望见到的。那时,它应会主动找帝国的茬子,否则就是严重失职。
作者: georgein007    时间: 2010-11-14 17:19
Post by kimly;2732886
本人做了6年的小店,深知大家生存的艰辛,虽然几个月前卖了店,但仍感觉自己是大家中的一员。就各位兄弟与帝国的战争,本人有几点忠言。
1 从目前的局势来分析,广大便利店与帝国的战争注定是旷日持久的,大家要有心理准备。可能不是递交一两封抗议信、谈判一两次,搞几次抵制行动就能让帝国低头的。各个店应根据自己的实际情况调整好经营策略,在与帝国抗争的同时,也要确保自己的店能正常运转,毕竟生存第一位,大家都不容易,大家应相互理解。抗争中有人积极些、主动些,有人胆怯些、有人懦弱些,都是可以理解的。还有在抵制的行动中,头脑要清醒、理智,不希望作出一些偏激行为,给自己家庭及远在国内的亲人带来不幸。
2 加拿大是一个法制社会,这可能也是当初我们选择来加拿大定居的原因之一。大家在为自己的正当权益抗争时,无论成功与否,请不要放弃法律武器。虽然司法程序非常复杂、冗长,但毕竟是值得等待的。大家也许会想像帝国这样的大公司,财大气粗,早就养了一大群御用律师为其钻法律漏洞,为其擦屁股。这的确是事实,从最近帝国给安省韩国便利店协会的回信中,也证实了这一点(法律规定零售商不得向消费者直接推荐某一种香烟),网上大家的抵制行动中似乎有类似行为,请不要让帝国抓到明显的证据。但并非帝国的策略就是无暇可击的,因为多年来,帝国为追求利益,也是劣迹斑斑,丑行不断,官司缠身。如2008年因走私香烟被课以5.5亿加元的重罚、几年前因抛弃批发商而被COSTCO等起诉,安省政府索赔500亿加元等,说明帝国目前的措施并不一定是完全合法的。个人认为大家可留意联邦及魁省的烟草法、联邦竞争法等。主要有如下几个:
1 联邦烟草法(Tobacco Act)
2 魁省烟草税法(obacco Tax Act, R.S.Q. c.)
3 魁省烟草法(Tobacco Act)
4 魁省烟草新规定
5 联邦竞争法。
可以从中找到一些有用的条款。大家可收集在与帝国打交道的过程中一些有用的证据,如是否曾按销量给回扣,在推广新烟时是否给过礼品,是否强迫性定价,此次事件中的合同、信函等,可从违反烟草销售法规和违反竞争法(价格歧视、歧视性价格补贴、胁迫定价、市场垄断)两个方向进行指控。当然,大家也借机对比法律,检点自己是否有不规范行为,避免被帝国抓住把柄。
3 巧妙利用控烟组织。大家当然不愿与它沾惹上,它目前也不会站出来放啥屁。但一段时间后,情形会改变。因为在这次事件后(如半年或一年,可浏览帝国网站或其股票),帝国的烟草销量可能会出现三种情形:1)大幅度上升;2)明显减少;3)基本持平。后两种情况说明帝国的策略有问题,它自己就可能找台阶下。第一种情况是我们大家最不愿意接受的,也是控烟组织不希望见到的。那时,它应会主动找帝国的茬子,否则就是严重失职。
非常有用的资料,非常有效的建议,下次开会时,希望能请动这位开店前辈给我们面授机宜.
作者: bluemoon    时间: 2010-11-14 20:04
very good point!!

imperial tested this program in one province of canada one year ago, and the result is better than what they expected. that is why they are expanding this program all cross canada now. But I guess they did not expect so much difficulties in Quebec and Ontario. right now, nobody know what kind of result gonna come out in the future. everybody are waiting for the market reaction(data) in the following couple of months. So every store should face the reality and do what you can do without hurting yourself. anytime, living is the first priority.
作者: lzy002    时间: 2010-11-14 21:18
标题: 我准备联合几位店主朋友一起找帝国打官司了。
由于语言等原因,可能打官司这条路对我们来说比较困难,但为了更好的认识加拿大的法制社会,打官司可能是一条相对快捷的途经。
   
      初步计划分两步走:先请律师给帝国烟草发一封律师函,等待帝国回信,估计需要时间40天左右,之后再集体研究是请律师继续打官司或者还是决定放弃,毕竟是40天之后的事,看事态发展吧。
作者: dgdpd6    时间: 2010-11-14 21:47
我现在的办法是(1)拆下其价格牌子 (2)对买地沟烟的人,尤其是其中低价烟的,如jpL,pj和viC.介绍next,效果很好,70%的都转了.所以我一个月不订它的烟生意都行.我看到已有其它的贴子说有类似的效果.而且,我的一些朋友,虽未发贴,其实早已在这样实行.至于效果,因所处地方不同而不一样.我是在离MONTREAL不太远的一镇上.不管效果大小,这样做地沟的销量就会下降.而这样做的店越多,地沟的销量就会下降得越猛.这样它就会有切肤之痛,以至锤心之痛__销量和利润才是它真正在乎和赖以生存的--看来它一点也不在乎其信誉.
另外,我已打算原则上告诉其代表不要进入我店内,更不可在店内采集任何信息.FAX烟ORDER,或在其汽车内抄完订单后还我也可.这样做有两个原因1)表达抗议和不满(2)防止其在店内找茬,报复.  同时,我也要告诉代表,此举不针对其个人.而只是商业行为.
不知大家有何建议
我认为现在就要两件事同时做:一边谈判,一边大量减少其销量.
作者: kimly    时间: 2010-11-16 20:10
标题: 联邦烟草法中关于promotion的条款
以下是联邦烟草法中关于promotion的条款,请l留意第29条注意黑体部分

Tobacco Act (1997, c. 13)
Act current to October 30th, 2010

PROMOTION

Definition of “promotion”
18. (1) In this Part, “promotion” means a representation about a product or service by any means, whether directly or indirectly, including any communication of information about a product or service and its price and distribution, that is likely to influence and shape attitudes, beliefs and behaviours about the product or service.
Application
(2) This Part does not apply to
(a) a literary, dramatic, musical, cinematographic, scientific, educational or artistic work, production or performance that uses or depicts a tobacco product or tobacco product-related brand element, whatever the mode or form of its expression, if no consideration is given directly or indirectly for that use or depiction in the work, production or performance;
(b) a report, commentary or opinion in respect of a tobacco product or a brand of tobacco product if no consideration is given by a manufacturer or retailer, directly or indirectly, for the reference to the tobacco product or brand in that report, commentary or opinion; or
(c) a promotion by a tobacco grower or a manufacturer that is directed at tobacco growers, manufacturers, persons who distribute tobacco products or retailers but not, either directly or indirectly, at consumers.
Prohibition
19. No person shall promote a tobacco product or a tobacco product-related brand element except as authorized by this Act or the regulations.
False promotion
20. No person shall promote a tobacco product by any means, including by means of the packaging, that are false, misleading or deceptive or that are likely to create an erroneous impression about the characteristics, health effects or health hazards of the tobacco product or its emissions.
Testimonials or endorsements
21. (1) No person shall promote a tobacco product by means of a testimonial or an endorsement, however displayed or communicated.
Depiction of person
(2) For the purposes of subsection (1), the depiction of a person, character or animal, whether real or fictional, is considered to be a testimonial for, or an endorsement of, the product.
Exception
(3) This section does not apply to a trade-mark that appeared on a tobacco product for sale in Canada on December 2, 1996.
Advertising
22. (1) Subject to this section, no person shall promote a tobacco product by means of an advertisement that depicts, in whole or in part, a tobacco product, its package or a brand element of one or that evokes a tobacco product or a brand element.
Exception
(2) Subject to the regulations, a person may advertise a tobacco product by means of information advertising or brand-preference advertising that is in
(a) a publication that is provided by mail and addressed to an adult who is identified by name; or
(b) [Repealed, 2009, c. 27, s. 11]
(c) signs in a place where young persons are not permitted by law.
Lifestyle advertising
(3) Subsection (2) does not apply to lifestyle advertising or advertising that could be construed on reasonable grounds to be appealing to young persons.
Definitions
(4) The definitions in this subsection apply in this section.

“brand-preference advertising”
« publicité préférentielle »
“brand-preference advertising” means advertising that promotes a tobacco product by means of its brand characteristics.

“information advertising”
« publicité informative »
“information advertising” means advertising that provides factual information to the consumer about
(a) a product and its characteristics; or
(b) the availability or price of a product or brand of product.
“lifestyle advertising”
« publicité de style de vie »
“lifestyle advertising” means advertising that associates a product with, or evokes a positive or negative emotion about or image of, a way of life such as one that includes glamour, recreation, excitement, vitality, risk or daring.
1997, c. 13, s. 22; 2009, c. 27, s. 11.
Packaging
23. No person shall package a tobacco product in a manner that is contrary to this Act or the regulations.
Prohibited additives — packaging
23.1 (1) No person shall package a tobacco product set out in column 2 of the schedule in a manner that suggests, including through illustrations, that it contains an additive set out in column 1.
Prohibition — sale
(2) No person shall sell a tobacco product set out in column 2 of the schedule that is packaged in a manner prohibited by subsection (1).
2009, c. 27, s. 12.
Prohibition — sponsorship promotion
24. No person may display a tobacco product-related brand element or the name of a tobacco manufacturer in a promotion that is used, directly or indirectly, in the sponsorship of a person, entity, event, activity or permanent facility.
1997, c. 13, s. 24; 1998, c. 38, s. 1.
Prohibition — name of facility
25. No person may display a tobacco product-related brand element or the name of a tobacco manufacturer on a permanent facility, as part of the name of the facility or otherwise, if the tobacco product-related brand element or name is thereby associated with a sports or cultural event or activity.
1997, c. 13, s. 25; 1998, c. 38, s. 2.
Accessories
26. (1) Subject to the regulations, a manufacturer or retailer may sell an accessory that displays a tobacco product-related brand element.
Promotion
(2) No person shall promote an accessory that displays a tobacco product-related brand element except in the prescribed manner and form and in a publication or place described in paragraphs 22(2)(a) and (c).
1997, c. 13, s. 26; 2009, c. 27, s. 13.
Non-tobacco product displaying tobacco brand element
27. No person shall furnish or promote a tobacco product if any of its brand elements is displayed on a non-tobacco product, other than an accessory, or is used with a service, if the non-tobacco product or service
(a) is associated with young persons or could be construed on reasonable grounds to be appealing to young persons; or
(b) is associated with a way of life such as one that includes glamour, recreation, excitement, vitality, risk or daring.
Exception — tobacco product
28. (1) Subject to the regulations, a person may sell a tobacco product, or advertise a tobacco product in accordance with section 22, if any of its brand elements is displayed on a non-tobacco product, other than an accessory, or used with a service, if the non-tobacco product or service does not fall within the criteria described in paragraphs 27(a) and (b).
Exception — non-tobacco product
(2) Subject to the regulations, a person may promote a non-tobacco product, other than an accessory, that displays a tobacco product-related brand element, or a service that uses a tobacco product-related brand element, to which section 27 does not apply.
Sales promotions
29. No manufacturer or retailer shall
(a) offer or provide any consideration, direct or indirect, for the purchase of a tobacco product, including a gift to a purchaser or a third party, bonus, premium, cash rebate or right to participate in a game, lottery or contest;
(b) furnish a tobacco product without monetary consideration or in consideration of the purchase of a product or service or the performance of a service; or
(c) furnish an accessory that bears a tobacco product-related brand element without monetary consideration or in consideration of the purchase of a product or service or the performance of a service.
Retail display of tobacco products
30. (1) Subject to the regulations, any person may display, at retail, a tobacco product or an accessory that displays a tobacco product-related brand element.
Signs
(2) A retailer of tobacco products may post, in accordance with the regulations, signs at retail that indicate the availability of tobacco products and their price.
Communication media
31. (1) No person shall, on behalf of another person, with or without consideration, publish, broadcast or otherwise disseminate any promotion that is prohibited by this Part.
作者: kimly    时间: 2010-11-16 20:26
标题: 魁省烟草法的有关条款
魁省烟草法中有关条款,关于销售和推广部分,有点多,请留意黑体部分:

CONSOLIDATION
Tobacco Act
S.C. 1997, c. 13
© Éditeur officiel du Québec
Updated to 1 November 2010
This document has official status.  
Current to October 20, 2010
Published by the Minister of Justice at the following address:
http://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca

R.S.Q., chapter T-0.01
Tobacco Act
CHAPTER III
SALE OF TOBACCO, DISPLAYS AND SIGNS
2005, c. 29, s. 14.

DIVISION I
SALE OF TOBACCO
2005, c. 29, s. 14.

Minors.
13. No one may sell tobacco to a minor.

1998, c. 33, s. 13; 2005, c. 29, s. 15.

Proof of age.
13.1. A person who wishes to purchase tobacco or to be admitted to a cigar room may
be required to provide proof of age.

Documents.
The Government may, by regulation, determine the documents that may be used as
identification.

2005, c. 29, s. 16.

Reasonable effort.
14. In proceedings for a contravention of the second paragraph of section 8.2 or a
contravention of section 13, no penalty may be imposed on a defendant who shows
that a reasonable effort was made to verify the age of the person and that there were
reasonable grounds to believe that the person was of full age.

1998, c. 33, s. 14; 2005, c. 29, s. 17.

Retail sale.
14.1. Tobacco may not be sold retail except in a tobacco retail outlet, with both the
operator of the retail outlet or an employee of the operator and the purchaser physically present.

Interpretation.
For the purposes of this Act,

(1) a tobacco retail outlet is a fixed place permanently delimited by continuous
floor-to-ceiling partitions or walls that is accessible only through an opening
equipped with a door and in which tobacco is sold retail by the operator of the place;

(2) a person other than a tobacco farmer or a tobacco product manufacturer or
distributor who is in possession of or holds a quantity of tobacco that exceeds
the amount the person needs for personal consumption is presumed, in the absence
of any evidence to the contrary, to engage in the retail sale of tobacco.

2005, c. 29, s. 18.

Gifts prohibited.
14.2. The operator of a tobacco retail outlet may not give tobacco to a minor.

2005, c. 29, s. 18.

Sale through intermediary prohibited.
14.3. The operator of a tobacco retail outlet may not sell tobacco to a person of full age if the operator knows the person is purchasing the tobacco for a minor.


2005, c. 29, s. 18.

Access.
15. The operator of a tobacco retail outlet must ensure that all tobacco is kept in such
a way as to prevent customers from gaining access to the tobacco without the help of
the business’s personnel.

Exception.
The first paragraph does not apply to the operator of a duty free shop licensed as such
under the Customs Act (Revised Statutes of Canada, 1985, chapter 1, 2nd Supplement).

1998, c. 33, s. 15; 2005, c. 29, s. 19.

Vending machines prohibited.
16. The operator of a place or business may not have a tobacco vending machine installed,
or leave or keep a tobacco vending machine in the place or business.

1998, c. 33, s. 16; 2005, c. 29, s. 20.

Retail outlet prohibited.
17. No tobacco retail outlet may be operated

(1) on the grounds of or within a facility maintained by a health and social services institution;

(2) on the grounds or within the premises or buildings placed at the disposal of a school,
a vocational training centre, an adult education centre or a private educational institution;

(2.1) on the grounds or within the buildings of a general and vocational college or a university;

(3) on the grounds of or within the facilities of a childcare centre or day care centre;

(4) within premises where sports, recreational, cultural or artistic activities are presented,
at the time they are presented;

(5) within premises or buildings intended mainly for the presentation of sports, recreational,
cultural or artistic activities or intended mainly as a place where members of the public may
engage or take part in such activities;

(6) in an establishment operating under a public house, tavern or bar permit within the
meaning of the Act respecting liquor permits (chapter P-9.1), other than a cigar room;

(7) in premises where an activity forming part of a restaurateur's business is carried on under
a permit issued under subparagraph n of the first paragraph of section 9 of the Food Products
Act (chapter P-29).

Regulations.
The Government may, by regulation, determine other places where operating a tobacco retail
outlet is prohibited.

1998, c. 33, s. 17; 2005, c. 29, s. 21; 2005, c. 47, s. 149.

Educational institution.
17.1. It is prohibited to supply tobacco to a minor on the grounds or within the premises or
buildings placed at the disposal of a school or a private educational institution dispensing
services specified in paragraphs 1 to 3 of section 1 of the Act respecting private education (chapter E-9.1), whether or not for a consideration.

2005, c. 29, s. 22.

Pharmacies.
18. It is prohibited to sell tobacco in a business if

(1) a pharmacy is located within the business;

(2) the customers of a pharmacy can pass into the business directly or by the use of a corridor
or area used exclusively to connect the pharmacy with the business.

1998, c. 33, s. 18.

Packages.
19. The operator of a tobacco retail outlet may not sell cigarettes except in a package that contains
at least 20 cigarettes.

Regulations.
The Government may make regulations specifying any other tobacco product that may not be
sold in a package containing less than the prescribed quantities or portions.

1998, c. 33, s. 19; 2005, c. 29, s. 23.

Declaration in register.
20. The retail sale of tobacco is an activity that must be declared in the register kept in accordance
with the Act respecting the legal publicity of sole proprietorships, partnerships and legal persons
(chapter P-45) within 30 days after the commencement of the operations of a tobacco retail outlet.

Discontinuance of activity.
The discontinuance of that activity must be declared in the same register within 30 days after its
occurrence.

1998, c. 33, s. 20; 2005, c. 29, s. 24.

Registration required.
20.1. Despite paragraph 1 of section 2 of the Act respecting the legal publicity of sole proprietorships,
partnerships and legal persons (chapter P-45), a natural person who operates a tobacco retail outlet
under a name that includes his or her surname and given name is subject to the requirement of
registration.

2005, c. 29, s. 24.

DIVISION II
DISPLAYS
2005, c. 29, s. 24.

Public display prohibited.
20.2. The operator of a tobacco retail outlet may not display tobacco or tobacco packaging in public
view.

Sign permitted.
However, the operator may, by means of a sign permitted under subparagraph 9 of the first paragraph
of section 24, provide consumers with the names of the tobacco products sold at the retail outlet and
their price as well as with any other factual information referred to in that section. The sign must
comply with the other provisions of section 24.

2005, c. 29, s. 24.

Exceptions.
20.3. Section 20.2 does not apply to the operator of a cigar room or a duty free shop.

Exceptions.
Nor does it apply to the operator of a specialty tobacco retail outlet if the following conditions are met:

(1) the specialty tobacco retail outlet is and remains a tobacco retail outlet specially set up for the
retail sale of tobacco;

(2) it is in operation on 10 May 2005;

(3) receipts derived by the operator of the specialty tobacco retail outlet from the retail sale of tobacco,
accessories that may be used for tobacco smoking and specialized publications about such products in
the 12 months before 31 May 2006 account for 75% of receipts from all sales made at that retail outlet
in that period;

(4) the operator of the specialty tobacco retail outlet sends the Minister, not later than 30 June 2008,
a written notice stating the name and address of the retail outlet, and sufficient proof that the operator
meets the conditions set out in this paragraph.

Conditions.
However, the operator of a tobacco retail outlet that is covered by the first and second paragraphs must
display tobacco and tobacco packaging in such a way that it is visible only from the inside of the retail
outlet.

2005, c. 29, s. 24.

DIVISION III
SIGNS
2005, c. 29, s. 24.

Notice and warning.
20.4. The operator of a tobacco retail outlet must post a notice prohibiting the sale of tobacco
to minors and a warning attributed to the Minister concerning the harmful effects of tobacco
on health as soon as the signs are provided by the Minister.

2005, c. 29, s. 24.

Public view.
20.5. Such signs must be posted in public view, on or next to each cash register used for tobacco
sales.

2005, c. 29, s. 24.

Prohibition.
20.6. No person may remove or deface such signs.

2005, c. 29, s. 24.

Standards.
20.7. The Minister may make regulations determining the standards applicable to such signs.

2005, c. 29, s. 24.

CHAPTER IV
PROMOTION, ADVERTISING AND PACKAGING


Promotion.
21. The operator of a business and a manufacturer or a distributor of tobacco products may not


(1) supply or distribute tobacco free of charge or furnish tobacco for promotional purposes of
any kind to consumers;


(2) reduce the retail price of tobacco on the basis of quantity, otherwise than as part of regular
marketing operations by the manufacturer, or offer or grant a rebate on the market price of
tobacco to consumers;


(3) offer consumers a gift or rebate or a right to participate in a lottery, contest or game or
any other form of benefit if consumers must, in return, provide information on tobacco or
their tobacco consumption, purchase a tobacco product or present proof of purchase of a
tobacco product.

作者: kimly    时间: 2010-11-16 20:38
标题: 魁省烟草新规定
New tobacco tax measures

On June 13, 2006, the Québec government implemented
new measures respecting the tobacco tax.
Generally, the new measures provide for a 50% increase in
the amounts of the fines for a first offence and the introduction
of a fine for a subsequent offence within five years. The measures
apply, for example, to the following offences:
A merchant who sells, delivers or is in possession of tobacco
intended for retail sale in Québec and contained in a package
that is not identified in accordance with the Tobacco Tax Act
is liable to a fine of not less than $3,000 and not more than
$750,000. If there is a subsequent offence within five years,
the merchant is liable to a fine of not less than $10,000 and
not more than $2,500,000.  
A merchant who makes retail sales of tobacco without holding
a registration certificate, or purchases tobacco from a person
who does not hold a collection officer's permit, is liable to a
fine of not less than $3,000 and not more than $37,500.
If there is a subsequent offence within five years, the
merchant is liable to a fine of not less than $10,000
and not more than $125,000.
Furthermore, the following acts are now considered
offences under the Tobacco Tax Act:
the retail sale of tobacco (or offer to sell tobacco at retail)
for a price that is lower than the total tax applicable to the
tobacco  
the purchase, by a consumer, of tobacco for a price that is
lower than the total tax applicable to the tobacco  
the sale, delivery or possession of counterfeit tobacco
Retail sale of tobacco for a price lower than the total tax
applicable
No person may sell (or offer to sell) tobacco at retail for a price lower than the total tax applicable to the tobacco, that is, the excise duty and the tobacco tax, plus the GST calculated on the excise duty and tobacco tax.
For example, the following minimum retail selling prices have
been in effect since July 1, 2006: $3.92 for a package of 20
cigarettes; $4.91 for a package of 25 cigarettes; $39.23 for a
carton containing 200 cigarettes; and $33.69 for a container
of 200 grams of fine-cut tobacco
.
A merchant who fails to comply is guilty of an offence and is
liable to a fine of not less than $3,000 and not more than $750,000.
If there is a subsequent offence within five years, the merchant is
liable to a fine of not less than $10,000 and not more than $2,500,000.
Purchase of tobacco products by a consumer for a price lower than
the total tax applicable
No person may purchase tobacco at retail in Québec for a price lower
than the total tax applicable to the tobacco, that is, the excise duty
and the tobacco tax, plus the GST calculated on the excise duty and tobacco tax.
A person who makes such a purchase is guilty of an offence and is
liable to a fine of not less than $300 and not more than $7,500. A
person who commits a subsequent offence within five years is liable
to a fine of not less than $1,000 and not more than $25,000.
Sale, delivery or possession of counterfeit tobacco  
A merchant who sells, delivers or is in possession of counterfeit tobacco
is guilty of an offence and is liable to a fine of not less than $3,000 and
not more than $750,000. If there is a subsequent offence within five years,
the merchant is liable to a fine of not less than $10,000 and not more than $2,500,000.
The term "counterfeit tobacco" means:
tobacco the package of which bears or on which is reproduced or imitated
the trademark, trade name or any other distinguishing guise that can reasonably
be associated with another tobacco product, without the authorization of the
owner of the trademark, trade name or other distinguishing guise  
tobacco the package of which bears an identification mark that has not been
affixed by a person holding a valid manufacturer's or importer's permit
Reminder of other sanctions
In addition to the fines provided for, certain offences under the Tobacco Tax
Act may result in a seizure of tobacco, the suspension of a person's registration
certificate, or a term of imprisonment.
作者: ticketsouth    时间: 2010-11-16 20:51
Post by kimly;2734539
以下是联邦烟草法中关于promotion的条款,请l留意第29条注意黑体部分

Tobacco Act (1997, c. 13)
Act current to October 30th, 2010

PROMOTION

Definition of “promotion”
18. (1) In this Part, “promotion” means a representation about a product or service by any means, whether directly or indirectly, including any communication of information about a product or service and its price and distribution, that is likely to influence and shape attitudes, beliefs and behaviours about the product or service.
Application
(2) This Part does not apply to
(a) a literary, dramatic, musical, cinematographic, scientific, educational or artistic work, production or performance that uses or depicts a tobacco product or tobacco product-related brand element, whatever the mode or form of its expression, if no consideration is given directly or indirectly for that use or depiction in the work, production or performance;
(b) a report, commentary or opinion in respect of a tobacco product or a brand of tobacco product if no consideration is given by a manufacturer or retailer, directly or indirectly, for the reference to the tobacco product or brand in that report, commentary or opinion; or
(c) a promotion by a tobacco grower or a manufacturer that is directed at tobacco growers, manufacturers, persons who distribute tobacco products or retailers but not, either directly or indirectly, at consumers.
Prohibition
19. No person shall promote a tobacco product or a tobacco product-related brand element except as authorized by this Act or the regulations.
False promotion
20. No person shall promote a tobacco product by any means, including by means of the packaging, that are false, misleading or deceptive or that are likely to create an erroneous impression about the characteristics, health effects or health hazards of the tobacco product or its emissions.
Testimonials or endorsements
21. (1) No person shall promote a tobacco product by means of a testimonial or an endorsement, however displayed or communicated.
Depiction of person
(2) For the purposes of subsection (1), the depiction of a person, character or animal, whether real or fictional, is considered to be a testimonial for, or an endorsement of, the product.
Exception
(3) This section does not apply to a trade-mark that appeared on a tobacco product for sale in Canada on December 2, 1996.
Advertising
22. (1) Subject to this section, no person shall promote a tobacco product by means of an advertisement that depicts, in whole or in part, a tobacco product, its package or a brand element of one or that evokes a tobacco product or a brand element.
Exception
(2) Subject to the regulations, a person may advertise a tobacco product by means of information advertising or brand-preference advertising that is in
(a) a publication that is provided by mail and addressed to an adult who is identified by name; or
(b) [Repealed, 2009, c. 27, s. 11]
(c) signs in a place where young persons are not permitted by law.
Lifestyle advertising
(3) Subsection (2) does not apply to lifestyle advertising or advertising that could be construed on reasonable grounds to be appealing to young persons.
Definitions
(4) The definitions in this subsection apply in this section.

“brand-preference advertising”
« publicité préférentielle »
“brand-preference advertising” means advertising that promotes a tobacco product by means of its brand characteristics.

“information advertising”
« publicité informative »
“information advertising” means advertising that provides factual information to the consumer about
(a) a product and its characteristics; or
(b) the availability or price of a product or brand of product.
“lifestyle advertising”
« publicité de style de vie »
“lifestyle advertising” means advertising that associates a product with, or evokes a positive or negative emotion about or image of, a way of life such as one that includes glamour, recreation, excitement, vitality, risk or daring.
1997, c. 13, s. 22; 2009, c. 27, s. 11.
Packaging
23. No person shall package a tobacco product in a manner that is contrary to this Act or the regulations.
Prohibited additives — packaging
23.1 (1) No person shall package a tobacco product set out in column 2 of the schedule in a manner that suggests, including through illustrations, that it contains an additive set out in column 1.
Prohibition — sale
(2) No person shall sell a tobacco product set out in column 2 of the schedule that is packaged in a manner prohibited by subsection (1).
2009, c. 27, s. 12.
Prohibition — sponsorship promotion
24. No person may display a tobacco product-related brand element or the name of a tobacco manufacturer in a promotion that is used, directly or indirectly, in the sponsorship of a person, entity, event, activity or permanent facility.
1997, c. 13, s. 24; 1998, c. 38, s. 1.
Prohibition — name of facility
25. No person may display a tobacco product-related brand element or the name of a tobacco manufacturer on a permanent facility, as part of the name of the facility or otherwise, if the tobacco product-related brand element or name is thereby associated with a sports or cultural event or activity.
1997, c. 13, s. 25; 1998, c. 38, s. 2.
Accessories
26. (1) Subject to the regulations, a manufacturer or retailer may sell an accessory that displays a tobacco product-related brand element.
Promotion
(2) No person shall promote an accessory that displays a tobacco product-related brand element except in the prescribed manner and form and in a publication or place described in paragraphs 22(2)(a) and (c).
1997, c. 13, s. 26; 2009, c. 27, s. 13.
Non-tobacco product displaying tobacco brand element
27. No person shall furnish or promote a tobacco product if any of its brand elements is displayed on a non-tobacco product, other than an accessory, or is used with a service, if the non-tobacco product or service
(a) is associated with young persons or could be construed on reasonable grounds to be appealing to young persons; or
(b) is associated with a way of life such as one that includes glamour, recreation, excitement, vitality, risk or daring.
Exception — tobacco product
28. (1) Subject to the regulations, a person may sell a tobacco product, or advertise a tobacco product in accordance with section 22, if any of its brand elements is displayed on a non-tobacco product, other than an accessory, or used with a service, if the non-tobacco product or service does not fall within the criteria described in paragraphs 27(a) and (b).
Exception — non-tobacco product
(2) Subject to the regulations, a person may promote a non-tobacco product, other than an accessory, that displays a tobacco product-related brand element, or a service that uses a tobacco product-related brand element, to which section 27 does not apply.
Sales promotions
29. No manufacturer or retailer shall
(a) offer or provide any consideration, direct or indirect, for the purchase of a tobacco product, including a gift to a purchaser or a third party, bonus, premium, cash rebate or right to participate in a game, lottery or contest;
(b) furnish a tobacco product without monetary consideration or in consideration of the purchase of a product or service or the performance of a service; or
(c) furnish an accessory that bears a tobacco product-related brand element without monetary consideration or in consideration of the purchase of a product or service or the performance of a service.
Retail display of tobacco products
30. (1) Subject to the regulations, any person may display, at retail, a tobacco product or an accessory that displays a tobacco product-related brand element.
Signs
(2) A retailer of tobacco products may post, in accordance with the regulations, signs at retail that indicate the availability of tobacco products and their price.
Communication media
31. (1) No person shall, on behalf of another person, with or without consideration, publish, broadcast or otherwise disseminate any promotion that is prohibited by this Part.

虽然本人非常痛恨帝国的做法,但你列出的条款,拿不住它,因为它的program只针对retailers,而不是final consumers(请看本法的定义)。唯一可以拿得住它的是program的设计上有操纵市场的嫌疑(这个要看公平竞争法)。如果合同店有人起义,揭露帝国烟代表利用各种手段要求retailers向顾客疯狂推销泡沫,帝国就完蛋。但是,现在是伯乐常有,陈胜吴广难寻啊!
作者: kimly    时间: 2010-11-16 21:03
标题: 关于竞争法
竞争法的条款太多,粗粗瞄一眼,似乎许多条款都适用,限于英文水平和法律知识的欠缺,不敢妄发言语。详细请浏览联邦司法部网站或联邦工业部竞争局网站或电话咨询。

Competition Act (R.S., 1985, c. C-34)
Act current to October 20th, 2010
Attention: See coming into force provision and notes, where applicable.
Table of Contents     
Competition Act
C-34

以下内容摘自戴维斯·沃德·菲利普和伟伯格律师事务所编写的《加拿大经商法律指南》一书。该指南中所涉及到的适用法律限于加拿大安大略省和魁北克省的法律以及在此两省适用的加拿大联邦法律。该指南的内容为参考性的,不能做为正式的法律建议。

«竞争法»规定的刑事犯罪

串通共谋

«竞争法»规定列出了不少刑事犯罪行为,其中最重要的是共
谋罪。其罪行为:任何人与任何其他人(常指竞争者)共
谋,或以其它方式约定来达到:
(1)以不正当的手段限制其他产品的运输、生产、制造、
供应、存储或交易;
(2)以不正当的手段阻止、限制或减少某产品的制造 或
生产,或者不合理地提高其价格;
(3)以不正当的手段阻止或消弱某产品在生产、制造、购
买、交换、出售、存储、出租、运输或供应过程中的
竞争;或者
(4)以其它方式以不正当的手段限制或损害竞争。

价格操控

«竞争法»在禁止价格操控条款中规定,在加拿大提供或供应
某种产品的商业活动中,禁止通过协议向产品的供应者进行
许诺、胁从或任何类似手段来影响其确定价格或阻碍其降
价。因此,强求不属于自己所有的下属经销商、零售商按某
一价格销售,在加拿大属于非法行为。其行为同样触犯了法
律。因为他“拒绝供应” 某产品或“以其它不平等方式对
待”他人实行的廉价销售。此外,这一规定也适用于试图对
竞争者或其他任何人的定价施加影响的行为。

价格歧视

«竞争法»规定,当其他供应商在数量和质量上不能提供给购
买此货物的购货者时,禁止供应商在相互竞争的购买者之间
以让价或其它好处的形式提供歧视性价格。与竞争法其它规
定不同,价格歧视的行为判定不取决于是否已经造成不利于
竞争的後果。当然,这方面也有合法情况(比如购买一定数
量的产品可以有折扣),供应商的价格在一定范围内可以有
所区别。

«竞争法»还规定了其它犯罪行为,其中包括:歧视性价格补
贴、掠夺性定价、强行推销、双重价格标签、金字塔式销
售、与专业体育运动合谋共销、与联邦金融机构就利息、服
务与贷款进行特别约定以及通过广告误导消费者。

竞争法规定审查的非刑事犯罪情况

滥用自身强势地位


竞争法庭一旦发现下述违法情况可以签发处罚命令,其中包
括命令当事方停止某种行为或者出售其资产或股份:
(1)一个人或数人实质上或者完全控制整个加拿大或加拿
大某一地方的一类生意;
(2)一个人或数人已经,或正在进行违反竞争法的行为;
以及
(3)其行为已经,或正在,或者将可能在从根本上阻绕或
削弱竞争。
竞争法庭认为,如果一个供货商具有足够的市场支配能力,
并在相当长时期内将价格固定在竞争水平之上,这样的供应
商就可能被认为是在“控制一种生意”。该法庭认为,判断
一个供货商是否有市场支配力,应视其市场所占有的份额和
进入市场的壁垒。如果一个公司有非常大的市场份额,就很
可能达到市场支配力。不过,要确认这一点还要看有多少其
它竞争者及他们相应的市场份额、超出市场容量余地,以及
进入市场的难易程度等均需要加以考虑。
然而,确定一家公司的市场支配力究竟到多大程度可以被认
定为触犯了有关法律条款,在加拿大很少能够找到权威性规
定来帮助确定。但无论如何,一家公司的市场份额超出40-
45%时就要谨慎为妙;再比如说,如果为数较少的公司所占
据的市场总份额超出所说的门槛,并在有可能形成“联合强
势”的时候被认定为控制了市场。
«竞争法»中对“不利于竞争的行为”做出的定义不是很透
彻。实际上任何行为只要是有意掠夺、排他性的或惩戒性地
对付竞争者的行为均可能构成损害竞争行为。

拒绝交易

竞争法庭还裁定一个人在其客户的生意从根本上受其影响或
者被排挤在行业之外时,如果拒绝向其供货,法庭可以有权
命令他向该客户供应产品。这种情况包括该客户(i)在市场
各处均无法按平常的价格获得足够供货,(ii)由于市场上该
产品的供应商不具有足够的竞争力而又无法获得合适的供
货,(iii)客户愿意并能够满足该产品供应商的正常交易条
件时,最後,(iv)该产品供应充足。
该法庭指出,如果在上述4 个条件均成立的情况下,在发布
是否命令其向客户供货时还应该考虑其他一些因素,这包括
被告是否有合法理由中断供货(譬如要销售存货告罄)、供
货关系维持情况以及终止客户供货的方式。
作者: georgein007    时间: 2010-11-16 21:14
非常感谢kimly,非常感谢,仔细研读中,不知能不能在加中商会组织的店主会谈上见到你.
作者: tonight    时间: 2010-11-16 21:50
用法律武器战胜他们是最正确的,如果需要准备的时间较长,能不能请人在报纸上写点文章呢,我们就讨论一下,根据竞争法,烟草法,帝国这样做到底犯法了吗,说不定,很多牛人会告诉我们他们的弱点。说不定我们都不用请律师出面。

有舆论了,他们的压力更大。
作者: georgein007    时间: 2010-11-16 22:06
Post by tonight;2734636
用法律武器战胜他们是最正确的,如果需要准备的时间较长,能不能请人在报纸上写点文章呢,我们就讨论一下,根据竞争法,烟草法,帝国这样做到底犯法了吗,说不定,很多牛人会告诉我们他们的弱点。说不定我们都不用请律师出面。

有舆论了,他们的压力更大。
不用律师出面,这恐怕不行吧,找到帝国的法律漏洞,应当是件很难的事.
估计很多人都在找,如果有人能拿出有力的法律依据,这份材料我都想花钱买,怕的是买不起.
作者: kimly    时间: 2010-11-17 01:10
如果帝国不愿取消其政策,而大家又继续采取抵抗行动并产生一定效果的话,进入司法程序的可能性比较大:也许是帝国指控大家,也许是大家起诉帝国。
从帝国的竞争对手JTI给大家的信(见如下),还是帝国给OKBA的信(不如何才能上传PDF文件?)来看:都是围绕竞争法和烟草法,都将会指控对方违反竞争法并给自己带来经济损失,并会提出索赔。而对于违反烟草法,应是由控烟组织指控,而大家或是帝国,都是向控烟组织提供证据证明对方违法并受处罚,不存在索赔问题。

附:
JTI的信(中文)
王华(老曹爱人)已经把JTI的信翻译如下
JTI-MACDONALD 致零售商的重要公告
最近帝国烟草公司向选中的部分零售商实施名为“扩展”的计划,这将涵盖所有帝国品牌,强迫零售商设定最高零售卖价。这个计划旨在以牺牲零售商利润为代价,最终提高帝国本身的利润率。我们坚信帝国烟草公司在滥用其在市场的主导地位,试图减少其他公司与其的竞争。
JTI与各零售商通过长期的合作,建立了相互信任和尊重。我们充分了解为了双方共同的利益,我们必须共同成长,同步前进。
我们的法律咨询顾问已经收到了指令,将在各种情况下采取必要的措施。我们认为这个扩展计划导致了严重的法律问题因为该计划在试图降低市场上的竞争,从而违反了联邦竞争法。帝国这一计划:
将彻底废除香烟价位的有效竞争
使众多的零售商受到了不公平的歧视待遇
将强迫零售商提高竞争产品的价格
将阻止向市场推出新品牌
将企图在各零售点间接控制产品定价权
将减少消费者的选择
作者: mmisland    时间: 2010-11-17 02:53
一位前小店经营者的忠告,对烟草相关法律了解那么透彻,会不会是李先生呢?
如果是的话,公开身份与大家交流吧。
也许是帝国指控大家,也许是大家起诉帝国。
不管帝国是否指控大家,帝国的报复行动,只是迟早的事,我们已经骑虎难下了,必须起诉帝国。
至于抵制的力度,不知李先生是否到第一线看过,继续抵制的可能性,不知是否值得再拿出时间去检验。
走司法途径的提议,早在七天报记者采访时就有了。
遗憾的是,很多人却把那当成游击战争的号角,并且很快形成一股不可阻挡的虚拟洪流。
今天终于殊途同归,我想正是每位小店主都欣喜的事情。
现在好办的是,不差钱,就差行动方向的正确指导。
作者: mmisland    时间: 2010-11-17 03:24
一位前小店经营者的忠告,对烟草相关法律了解那么透彻,会不会是李先生呢?
如果是的话,公开身份与大家交流吧。
也许是帝国指控大家,也许是大家起诉帝国。
不管帝国是否指控大家,帝国的报复行动,只是迟早的事,我们已经骑虎难下了,必须起诉帝国。
至于抵制的力度,不知李先生是否到第一线看过,继续抵制的可能性,不知是否还有时间再做一次检验。
走司法途径的提议,早在七天报记者采访时就有了。
遗憾的是,很多人却把那当成游击战争的号角,并且很快形成一股不可阻挡的虚拟洪流。
今天终于殊途同归,我想正是每位小店主都欣喜的事情。
现在好办的是,不差钱,就差行动方向的正确指导。
作者: prysmj    时间: 2010-11-17 08:35
我早就说帝国有违反竞争法的嫌疑。散户们抗议是必要的,但更重要的是拿起法律武器

另外,利用媒体武器,唤起公众,抗议帝国以降价手段向公众,尤其是年轻人和贫困人士促销它的产品,也是一个很有力的武器。这将会是一个很能吸引媒体的话题
加拿大历史上最著名的冰球明星XXXX,退役后多次任前加拿大国家冰球队的教练,就因为给百事可乐作广告,被媒体抓住不放,抗议此君以自己的巨大影响力,给百事作广告,为青少年消费不健康饮料树立不好形象,此君最后被迫辞去加国冰球教练和道歉,并撤去了广告。
作者: Yannick    时间: 2010-11-17 08:59
标题: 联邦竞争局曾回复说帝国的做法不违法
我在两个多星期前就已咨询过联邦竞争局,它有专门的法律专家提供意见,当时它的答复是并不违反竞争法,联邦竞争局不会介入。也许大家都可以试着去咨询一下,看看是否不同的法律专家有不同的解释。

www.competitionbureau.gc.ca

Toll-free: 1-800-348-5358 (Canada)


但有一点,帝国的做法肯定是违法的,就是它的代表们积极施压和鼓动广大零售商向客人推销它家的烟时时强调一定要把它的某个牌子的烟定为店里价格最低的,并向所有客人介绍。现在烟不能做广告,不能摆放,没有零售商的嘴,难道它的烟都是靠无声手语卖出去的?请参考在地沟给OKBA的信里我的另一篇帖子

                                                                 帝国的威胁信自打嘴巴,承认自己违法                        
                                                                                                                                                       它说按TABACCO ACT,绝不能通过零售商的嘴向客人推荐某个牌子的烟。可是当初它的Viceroy,  JP以及现在的Pall  Mall,不都是它的代表们push我们积极向消费者推荐出去的吗?我们广大店主都可以作证帝国的代表是如何施压及煽动我们,利用零售商的嘴向客人推荐它 家的牌子的。
作者: 幸福快乐每一天    时间: 2010-11-17 09:29
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作者: jj650    时间: 2010-11-17 09:41
它说按TABACCO ACT,绝不能通过零售商的嘴向客人推荐某个牌子的烟。可是当初它的Viceroy,  JP以及现在的Pall  Mall,不都是它的代表们push我们积极向消费者推荐出去的吗?我们广大店主都可以作证帝国的代表是如何施压及煽动我们,利用零售商的嘴向客人推荐它 家的牌子的。[/quote]
  
这一点,大家可能都清楚。当初地沟在推VICEROY和JP的时候,代表告诉过我说”从下礼拜开始就会有他们公司的人会以有奖电话问答的方式向各个零售商询问他们对新产品的了解程度“,并且出门前不忘提醒你一句"如果客人问那种烟最便宜,我们的回答是:瓦斯和僵扑,现在又是抛锚
作者: 幸福快乐每一天    时间: 2010-11-17 09:43
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作者: 心@随    时间: 2010-11-17 11:18
Post by 幸福快乐每一天;2734837
潜水很久了,实在忍不住说两句。现在我们小店能做的就是打击他的销量,特别是新烟,这是他们的痛中之痛,找律师游行什么的是没用的。他们不会在乎。找媒体很可能会起到反作用。
同意。
加拿大司法程序漫长,赖昌星遣送了10年不还在加拿大吗。
OKBA违法了,帝国为什么不把它送上法庭。还给它发什么信啊,去告它等法院给他发传票不就完了。
帝国是烟草生产商,我们是经销商。双方都希望自己的利益最大化。他希望我们低价卖他的产品,提高他的占有率。我们希望保证我们的销售额,提高我们的利润率。双方肯定有矛盾。现在帝国和OKBA的行动,只是为了以后谈判的时候给自己争取更有利的解决方案。
找律师游行找媒体干什么?告诉人家我旁边有家店烟卖的比我便宜,影响我的销售额,我不同意?告诉人家13%的利润率太低,我们要17%?告诉人家我们生存不下去了?没人会信,至少大家还有个店,不是无产阶级。
有些事情要脚踏实地的去干,不能大声嚷嚷。
开店的看来有些是第一次干BUSINESS,头脑幼稚得可笑:wink:

感谢KIMLY对我的法律普及。为了不让帝国抓住把柄。以后不认识的客人我不会推销NEXT,店里数个客人我也不会推销NEXT。但我会继续推销NEXT,在我认为安全的时候:)pallmall在我的店里就别指望了
作者: prysmj    时间: 2010-11-17 11:30
Post by 心@随;2734931
同意。
加拿大司法程序漫长,赖昌星遣送了10年不还在加拿大吗。
OKBA违法了,帝国为什么不把它送上法庭。还给它发什么信啊,去告它等法院给他发传票不就完了。
帝国是烟草生产商,我们是经销商。双方都希望自己的利益最大化。他希望我们低价卖他的产品,提高他的占有率。我们希望提高我们的利润率。双方肯定有矛盾。现在帝国和OKBA的行动,只是为了以后谈判的时候给自己争取更有利的解决方案。
找律师游行找媒体干什么?告诉人家13%的利润率太低,我们要17%?告诉人家我们生存不下去了?没人会信,至少大家不还有个店吗。
开店的看来有些是第一次干BUSINESS,头脑幼稚得可笑:wink:

感谢KIMLY对我的法律普及。为了不让帝国抓住把柄。以后不认识的客人我不会推销NEXT,店里数个客人我也不会推销NEXT。但我会继续推销NEXT,在我认为安全的时候:)

农民就是农民。
可笑的是你自己吧。媒体不参与,不靠法律手段,就靠你老自己据说的单干,弄到最后,帝国不会翻,你自己先翻了关门。加拿大普通商品零售商的利润的正常值应该是25% - 45%之间(一些特殊商品,比如药品零售是80%左右的利润,电器75%左右),加拿大民众都能接受,可到了你这里,你以为你那13%就很赚钱了,就偷着乐,那是你自己的事情。但你也应该知道,不是每个开店的都是农民

作者: goodyear8868    时间: 2010-11-17 12:01
加拿大连锁supermarket 的grocery毛利率,也就是我们所说的gross margin 大约25%左右,但中小超市平均肯定达不到这个水平,因为连锁超市议价能力强,另外好多超市靠自有品排提高毛利率.要说利润率,很低,连锁超市税后利润率平均1%左右.
作者: namstra    时间: 2010-11-17 12:20
中小超市的利润率比大的连锁超市要高很多,因为大超市/店的思路是用薄利多销,这也是为何大超市的东西总在打折的原因:靠量取胜。大店的利润率一般是35%。
作者: 心@随    时间: 2010-11-17 12:37
Post by prysmj;2734941
农民就是农民。
可笑的是你自己吧。媒体不参与,不靠法律手段,就靠你老自己据说的单干,弄到最后,帝国不会翻,你自己先翻了关门。加拿大普通商品零售商的利润的正常值应该是25% - 45%之间(一些特殊商品,比如药品零售是80%左右的利润,电器75%左右),加拿大民众都能接受,可到了你这里,你以为你那13%就很赚钱了,就偷着乐,那是你自己的事情。但你也应该知道,不是每个开店的都是农民
13%是烟合同的利润率,是我们不同意的。您先看明白了。
蒙特利尔烟的利润率一般也就17%,周边可能高些。
“加拿大普通商品零售商的利润的正常值应该是25% - 45%之间。电器有75%利润率?药80%?
你是火星叔叔马丁吧?还是你是农民啊?就听说过蔬菜水果利润率高,是因为可能有损耗。
您的酒是什么利润率啊?25%-45%?蒙特利尔还真没见过能把18的酒卖到这水平的。买18¥左右卖19.99¥,10%利润率。24的酒利润率更低。
电器75%???哥们你卖的电器纸糊的吧?BESTBUY卖的IPAD-32G650$我估计苹果不会650*0.25=162.5卖给他。
可以夸张,但您也太有才了。
作者: prysmj    时间: 2010-11-17 12:42
Post by 心@随;2734989
13%是烟合同的利润率
“加拿大普通商品零售商的利润的正常值应该是25% - 45%之间。电器有75%利润率?药80%?
你是火星叔叔马丁吧?还是你是农民啊?就听说过蔬菜水果利润率高,是因为可能有损耗。
您的酒是什么利润率啊?25%-45%?我去你那拉12、18的吧。蒙特利尔还真没见过能把酒卖到这水平的。
电器75%???哥们你卖的电器纸糊的吧?BESTBUY卖的IPAD我估计苹果不会一百多卖给他。
可以夸张,但您也太有才了。

农民就是农民,呵呵。看你老的话,45%就把你吓得尿裤,还什么“估计苹果不会100多卖给它”。
您继续当你的农民,我的酒你可以来拉,要多少有多少,谁让我不歧视农民呢。
作者: 心@随    时间: 2010-11-17 12:51
Post by prysmj;2734992
农民就是农民,呵呵。看你老的话,45%就把你吓得尿裤,还什么“估计苹果不会100多卖给它”。
您继续当你的农民,我的酒你可以来拉,要多少有多少,谁让我不歧视农民呢。
好啊。说说你的18的酒给我的价格吧。
我也开开眼:eek!:看看“火星叔叔”的进价
作者: prysmj    时间: 2010-11-17 13:17
电器的利润和高科技新的利润率是不同的。高科技新产品,如苹果公司的IPAD,在大投入的广告宣传后,实际上已经在人群中产生了很强的期待心理,由于没有其他产品在同时期内能与其竞争,所以实际上已经产生了垄断性价格,市场需求很强,量很大,形成明显的卖方市场,在这种情况下,高科技公司的生产商是爷,零售商是孙子,巴不得多拿几部手机来卖,生产商让给零售商的利润率就很小,你零售商爱卖不卖,就这个价格给你。所以高科技就这么赚钱,所以现在叫高科技时代。但即使这样的情况下,零售商的利润也不会小于50%。

而其他普通电器产品,如炉头冰箱洗衣机等,由于市场很大的竞争性和替代性,而人群期待性以及消费量上,和高科技新产品又差很远,零售商是肯定要实现它的普通电器的80%左右的零售利润的。
懂了吗农民大伯?
作者: prysmj    时间: 2010-11-17 13:29
我这个火星叔叔也不是白当的,对农民大伯的教育,应该坚持一下。


我党一直说,农民有小农意识,不是革命的可靠分子,需要教育和改造,现在看来一点不假。只要有口饭吃,或者有口杂粮吃,就不起义的小农民思想,简直就是革命的敌人。难怪帝国欺负我们。这么老实厚道的小农民,13%的利润率就偷着乐了,我要是帝国,也要欺负你,非把你利润率降低到10%,甚至5%不可。我要是不欺负你,就是对不住良心,就是对不住我们帝国公司的其他董事们,股东们。
作者: 幸福快乐每一天    时间: 2010-11-17 14:18
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作者: fugang    时间: 2010-11-17 14:40
Post by prysmj;2735011
电器的利润和高科技新的利润率是不同的。高科技新产品,如苹果公司的IPAD,在大投入的广告宣传后,实际上已经在人群中产生了很强的期待心理,由于没有其他产品在同时期内能与其竞争,所以实际上已经产生了垄断性价格,市场需求很强,量很大,形成明显的卖方市场,在这种情况下,高科技公司的生产商是爷,零售商是孙子,巴不得多拿几部手机来卖,生产商让给零售商的利润率就很小,你零售商爱卖不卖,就这个价格给你。所以高科技就这么赚钱,所以现在叫高科技时代。但即使这样的情况下,零售商的利润也不会小于50%。

而其他普通电器产品,如炉头冰箱洗衣机等,由于市场很大的竞争性和替代性,而人群期待性以及消费量上,和高科技新产品又差很远,零售商是肯定要实现它的普通电器的80%左右的零售利润的。
懂了吗农民大伯?
你的计算方法可能与我们农民的不同,80%的利润就是2块买来卖10块吗?我们农校学的是出厂价与零售价是2.5-3.5倍,你的已经到5倍了,而且还没算中间商,当然,运费另算。
作者: kimly    时间: 2010-11-17 15:00
mmisland:
      我不姓李,我姓王,住在东镇区。开了5、6年小店,深深理解小店主个中之酸甜苦辣,几个月前卖了店。开便利店虽然艰难,但它毕竟是一个个华人家庭在魁北克安身立命的经济支柱。真希望还在开店的兄弟们能挺过难关,日子过得一天比一天好。没有什么能帮助大家的,只好摘抄一些法律条文,大家一起来讨论,集思广益,看是否有可能寻找有用的法律依据。另外,大家在非常时期,也要谨慎行事,不要惹上不必要的麻烦,最好在合法前提下展开行动。至少,像某些朋友说的那样,在此贴出那些法律条文,可以起到普法作用。

Yannick:希望更多的人士像你一样,多多向政府有关部门咨询,以搞清心中的法律疑团。除竞争局外,烟控组织、税局都可咨询。一点一点弄明白,才好决定下一步如何进行。

有一点想法:其实便利店人士在魁北克华人社区是一个很重要的群体,至少在华人社区是很有影响力的。在魁北克从事律师及相关工作的华人应该明白,提高社会知名度对律师职业很重要。此时若能站出来关注一下,进行一些咨询,提供一些法律建议,应不是太困难的事。无论是否真正有效,至少可以在华人心目中留下印象,形成不少潜在客户。效果肯定比在报纸上卖广告好得多,为何不试试?
作者: prysmj    时间: 2010-11-17 15:26
论农民具有的革gm命的不彻底性

我才说了几句,就惹了一帮子小农民嘴脸的人,对我开始谩骂了,不过,农民们就这口子爱好,由他们去。

对这次运动,靠着散户农民是不行的。店分大中小,开小店的,就是贫农,当年共党在中国革gm命,在开始的时期主要是靠贫农,但后来还是摆脱了小农阶层,并在解放后把贫农分到手的土地又给人们公社化了,也就是因为认识到了贫农的阶级本性,即革gm命的不彻定性,自私性,和落后性。看来还是要靠广大中型店主和大型店主,这次运动才能胜利。中型店主是有产阶级,大店店主是买办资产阶级。现在中国也是这些人掌权。流氓无产者,只能被革gm命利用,不能领导革gm命。

和帝国的商业斗争,其实最重要的是合法。不能越过法律。一定要吃透法律,在法律规定的范围内争取斗争胜利。现在看,是低潮,很多人,尤其是小店店主们摇摆动摇,口是心非,就想着怎么能得到些好处,只要代表们给他们一点点优惠,哪怕一条烟给他便宜一块钱,就立刻投降,当了叛徒。我知道很多这样的小店主,很可恶。但一个没有统一行动和约束力的组织,对他们没有任何惩罚措施。 唯一的惩罚就是将来情况会进一步恶化,而首当其冲的受害者就是小店。

我本来觉得不管大店中店小店都是一个战壕的,看来我错了。其实胜利是每个人努力的结果,大家一起行动,不被小恩小惠收买,就一定能成功,但就是这些小农们,迟早把大家的努力搞砸了。
作者: dajaimen    时间: 2010-11-17 15:38
Post by prysmj;2735011
电器的利润和高科技新的利润率是不同的。高科技新产品,如苹果公司的IPAD,在大投入的广告宣传后,实际上已经在人群中产生了很强的期待心理,由于没有其他产品在同时期内能与其竞争,所以实际上已经产生了垄断性价格,市场需求很强,量很大,形成明显的卖方市场,在这种情况下,高科技公司的生产商是爷,零售商是孙子,巴不得多拿几部手机来卖,生产商让给零售商的利润率就很小,你零售商爱卖不卖,就这个价格给你。所以高科技就这么赚钱,所以现在叫高科技时代。但即使这样的情况下,零售商的利润也不会小于50%。

而其他普通电器产品,如炉头冰箱洗衣机等,由于市场很大的竞争性和替代性,而人群期待性以及消费量上,和高科技新产品又差很远,零售商是肯定要实现它的普通电器的80%左右的零售利润的。
懂了吗农民大伯?

这位朋友,现在大家要团结, 呵呵,

但是,您也别在这里胡言乱语呀!


呵呵, 换个ID 吧!

作者: qingshan    时间: 2010-11-17 16:57
大家用不着在此争论,不管大小店根据自己的情况对付地沟就行了。我的店烟的销量相当于一个小店,地沟占1/3,没有合同,我的做法。
1.撤销它的价格牌
2.它涨价我涨价
3.每周只订10条与合同店相差1元的烟,消耗它
4.其它烟从朋友拿,即使它的销量再下降1/3,自己的利益也能保证
5.转变它的客户
6.不再向他提供任何信息
7.不推它的新烟
到目前生意没受任何影响,只要大部分店能做到其中一部分,
地沟的末日就到了。现在它的代表已3周不敢来了,哈哈。
作者: georgein007    时间: 2010-11-17 17:33
Post by kimly;2735085
有一点想法:其实便利店人士在魁北克华人社区是一个很重要的群体,至少在华人社区是很有影响力的。在魁北克从事律师及相关工作的华人应该明白,提高社会知名度对律师职业很重要。此时若能站出来关注一下,进行一些咨询,提供一些法律建议,应不是太困难的事。无论是否真正有效,至少可以在华人心目中留下印象,形成不少潜在客户。效果肯定比在报纸上卖广告好得多,为何不试试?
开店这些人,都比较认于宁,刚开始,很多同行给他打了电话,问的事情大多都比较幼稚,基本是请他给大家搞普法,后来渐渐有了方向,再后来就乱套了,在筹备协会过程中,得到很多传说,如果那些传说是真的,有的人胆量非常之大,大敌当前,实在没有精力内耗,所有的传说,只能一律视为假,我再努力一下看吧,如果能争取到一定数量的店主支持,请于宁出山,也希望能请动您,不仅在网上,拿出更多的时间帮我们一下.
作者: Beans    时间: 2010-11-17 21:18
同意你的看法。
帝国的所做所为是在打擦边球,介于违法与不违法之间。我们要告它,也不是不可以,但有举证等各方面的难度,时间也会很长,烟公司也很有打官司的经验。找媒体很难说就会站在咱们这边。 在这场较量中,只有充分利用我们的最大的筹码(即我们与最终顾客接触)跟它较量会比较有效。 接下来的关键是,防止帝国分化瓦解。 我们绝不能接受任何有条件的DEAL.

Post by 幸福快乐每一天;2734837
潜水很久了,实在忍不住说两句。现在我们小店能做的就是打击他的销量,特别是新烟,这是他们的痛中之痛,找律师游行什么的是没用的。他们不会在乎。找媒体很可能会起到反作用。

作者: mmisland    时间: 2010-11-17 23:06
Post by 幸福快乐每一天;2735052
这个prysmj和007,mmisland是不是都是一个人,强烈鄙视,快滚吧,别再丢人现眼了。
挺象一个人,至少是一类人,在JT1的DEAL和华人店主自己的协会之间做不到两全时,却支持对自己没有任何好处的后者,在可能触犯法律应对帝国和通过司法应对帝国两种方法的选择上,又都选择了做一个遵纪守法的中国人,你就鄙视吧,不过没给你丢人现眼。
作者: 心@随    时间: 2010-11-17 23:35
Post by prysmj;2735011
电器的利润和高科技新的利润率是不同的。高科技新产品,如苹果公司的IPAD,在大投入的广告宣传后,实际上已经在人群中产生了很强的期待心理,由于没有其他产品在同时期内能与其竞争,所以实际上已经产生了垄断性价格,市场需求很强,量很大,形成明显的卖方市场,在这种情况下,高科技公司的生产商是爷,零售商是孙子,巴不得多拿几部手机来卖,生产商让给零售商的利润率就很小,你零售商爱卖不卖,就这个价格给你。所以高科技就这么赚钱,所以现在叫高科技时代。但即使这样的情况下,零售商的利润也不会小于50%。

而其他普通电器产品,如炉头冰箱洗衣机等,由于市场很大的竞争性和替代性,而人群期待性以及消费量上,和高科技新产品又差很远,零售商是肯定要实现它的普通电器的80%左右的零售利润的。
懂了吗农民大伯?
这是best buy的财务数据
Profit Margins %CompanyIndustryS& 500Gross Margin24.928.039.5Pre-Tax Margin4.64.916.8Net Profit Margin3.03.512.25Yr Gross Margin (5-Year Avg.)24.427.238.35Yr PreTax Margin (5-Year Avg.)4.95.715.85Yr Net Profit Margin (5-Year Avg.)3.24.011.2
毛利24.9%,税后净利3%
上市公司的数据是公开的,别猜。google一下就知道了。
http://moneycentral.msn.com/inve ... gins&Symbol=BBY
既然大家都说要团结,我也就点到为止了
作者: mmisland    时间: 2010-11-17 23:38
Post by kimly;2735085
mmisland:
我不姓李,我姓王,住在东镇区。开了5、6年小店,深深理解小店主个中之酸甜苦辣,几个月前卖了店。开便利店虽然艰难,但它毕竟是一个个华人家庭在魁北克安身立命的经济支柱。真希望还在开店的兄弟们能挺过难关,日子过得一天比一天好。没有什么能帮助大家的,只好摘抄一些法律条文,大家一起来讨论,集思广益,看是否有可能寻找有用的法律依据。另外,大家在非常时期,也要谨慎行事,不要惹上不必要的麻烦,最好在合法前提下展开行动。至少,像某些朋友说的那样,在此贴出那些法律条文,可以起到普法作用。

Yannick:希望更多的人士像你一样,多多向政府有关部门咨询,以搞清心中的法律疑团。除竞争局外,烟控组织、税局都可咨询。一点一点弄明白,才好决定下一步如何进行。

有一点想法:其实便利店人士在魁北克华人社区是一个很重要的群体,至少在华人社区是很有影响力的。在魁北克从事律师及相关工作的华人应该明白,提高社会知名度对律师职业很重要。此时若能站出来关注一下,进行一些咨询,提供一些法律建议,应不是太困难的事。无论是否真正有效,至少可以在华人心目中留下印象,形成不少潜在客户。效果肯定比在报纸上卖广告好得多,为何不试试?
几个月前卖了店,应当是我们中的一员,说不准下个月我也卖店。
向政府咨询,肯定是合法的。
请律师给些义务帮助,为什么不试试?呵呵,并不是律师不肯站出来,你说的那些道理他们都清楚。
就象那张被骂的贴子所说,只要给点小利诱惑,就能让所有人的热情和智慧全绑在这点小利上。
律师帮不上这个忙。
作者: mmisland    时间: 2010-11-18 00:04
Post by kimly;2735085
mmisland:
我不姓李,我姓王,住在东镇区。开了5、6年小店,深深理解小店主个中之酸甜苦辣,几个月前卖了店。开便利店虽然艰难,但它毕竟是一个个华人家庭在魁北克安身立命的经济支柱。真希望还在开店的兄弟们能挺过难关,日子过得一天比一天好。没有什么能帮助大家的,只好摘抄一些法律条文,大家一起来讨论,集思广益,看是否有可能寻找有用的法律依据。另外,大家在非常时期,也要谨慎行事,不要惹上不必要的麻烦,最好在合法前提下展开行动。至少,像某些朋友说的那样,在此贴出那些法律条文,可以起到普法作用。

Yannick:希望更多的人士像你一样,多多向政府有关部门咨询,以搞清心中的法律疑团。除竞争局外,烟控组织、税局都可咨询。一点一点弄明白,才好决定下一步如何进行。

有一点想法:其实便利店人士在魁北克华人社区是一个很重要的群体,至少在华人社区是很有影响力的。在魁北克从事律师及相关工作的华人应该明白,提高社会知名度对律师职业很重要。此时若能站出来关注一下,进行一些咨询,提供一些法律建议,应不是太困难的事。无论是否真正有效,至少可以在华人心目中留下印象,形成不少潜在客户。效果肯定比在报纸上卖广告好得多,为何不试试?
几个月前卖了店,应当是我们中的一员,说不准下个月我也卖店。
向政府咨询,肯定是合法的。
请律师给些义务帮助,为什么不试试?呵呵,并不是律师不肯站出来,你说的那些道理他们都清楚。
就象那张被骂的贴子所说,只要给一点小利诱惑,就能让这些人的热情和智慧全绑在这点小利上。
律师帮不上这个忙。
作者: mmisland    时间: 2010-11-18 00:09
Post by kimly;2735085
mmisland:
我不姓李,我姓王,住在东镇区。开了5、6年小店,深深理解小店主个中之酸甜苦辣,几个月前卖了店。开便利店虽然艰难,但它毕竟是一个个华人家庭在魁北克安身立命的经济支柱。真希望还在开店的兄弟们能挺过难关,日子过得一天比一天好。没有什么能帮助大家的,只好摘抄一些法律条文,大家一起来讨论,集思广益,看是否有可能寻找有用的法律依据。另外,大家在非常时期,也要谨慎行事,不要惹上不必要的麻烦,最好在合法前提下展开行动。至少,像某些朋友说的那样,在此贴出那些法律条文,可以起到普法作用。

Yannick:希望更多的人士像你一样,多多向政府有关部门咨询,以搞清心中的法律疑团。除竞争局外,烟控组织、税局都可咨询。一点一点弄明白,才好决定下一步如何进行。

有一点想法:其实便利店人士在魁北克华人社区是一个很重要的群体,至少在华人社区是很有影响力的。在魁北克从事律师及相关工作的华人应该明白,提高社会知名度对律师职业很重要。此时若能站出来关注一下,进行一些咨询,提供一些法律建议,应不是太困难的事。无论是否真正有效,至少可以在华人心目中留下印象,形成不少潜在客户。效果肯定比在报纸上卖广告好得多,为何不试试?
几个月前卖了店,应当是我们中的一员,说不准下个月我也卖店。
向政府咨询,肯定是合法的。
请律师给些义务帮助,为什么不试试?呵呵,并不是律师不肯站出来,你说的那些道理他们都清楚。
就象那张被骂的贴子所说,只要给点小利诱惑,就能让所有人的热情和智慧全绑在这点小利上。
律师帮不上这个忙。




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