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标题: Salvage title 和 Rebuilt title 的车能买吗？ [打印本页]

作者: Jerryfu 时间: 2013-3-27 12:29
标题: Salvage title 和 Rebuilt title 的车能买吗？
遇到一辆08款的ALTIMA 2.5SL的车，看起来挺漂亮的，试驾了一段，觉得还不错。
里程不高，价格也比较低。

但是查询了VIN报告，发现该车08年的时候在外省有过两次SALVAGE TITLE 的报告。
后来REBUILT了重新上路，然后也有几次rebuilt的记录。
现在车本上也注明了是REBUILT TITLE的车。

听说SALVAGE过的车是经历了严重事故的，不能买。虽然感觉那个车性价比还可以，但还是放弃了。

对于REBUILT后经过检测是可以上路的车。
在想请教这里的朋友，这样的车能买吗？听听大家的见解。谢谢！

作者: elsb 时间: 2013-3-27 13:32
标题: 别买
有严重事故你还要买！车不是一般消费品，搞不好要出人命的。

作者: CheckMoteur 时间: 2013-3-27 19:16
In North America, a salvage title is a form of vehicle title branding, which notes that the vehicle has been damaged and/or deemed a total loss by an insurance company that paid a claim on it. The criteria for determining when a salvage title is issued differ considerably by each state, province or territory. In a minority of states and Canadian provinces regulations require a salvage title for stolen or vandalized vehicles which are not recovered by police within 21 days. In such cases Insurance companies declare a vehicle total loss and pay off the previous owner;[1] but, in others, it is issued only for losses due to damage. Under some circumstances, a salvage title denotation may be removed or replaced with a Rebuilt Salvage designation;[2] and cars imported to, or exported from, the United States may be issued a clean title regardless of history.
Because a salvage title can be issued to a vehicle with easily repairable problems or no damage whatsoever, the low cost of the salvaged motorcycle or car is appealing to some hobbyists and investors. Experts recommend caution when purchasing a salvaged vehicle, because there may be hidden damage,[3] which, if unrepairable, may render the vehicle a "pile of parts."

在魁北克，对应名目应该是VGA，Véhicule gravement accidenté。

这些车要在魁北克卖，必须经过SAAQ的车检，所以技术上，还是road legal的。但在实际上，多数发生事故而非其他原因被定义为VGA的车辆，即便通过车检，损伤仍然是永久性的，修不回来了。没有鉴别能力的话，还是不碰为宜。

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作者: CheckMoteur 时间: 2013-3-27 19:29
SAAQ的相关规定如下：

Unrebuildable (irrécupérable)

This designation generally applies to a vehicle that has been so severely flooded or damaged that rebuilding it is impossible. Such a vehicle cannot be put into operation nor can it ever be put back on the road. Only its parts may be used.

This designation appears on the vehicle's registration record and certificate following a declaration by the vehicle owner or insurer. This status can also be assigned to an imported vehicle whose record, ownership title or registration certificate indicates that it is unrebuildable.

Under section 188 of the Regulation respecting safety standards for road vehicles, this status must be assigned to damaged vehicles with a monocoque body where the compartment floor or front bulkhead cannot be repaired following a collision, a fire or an immersion.

Severely damaged (gravement accidenté)

This status designates a vehicle that has been so severely damaged that it must be rebuilt. The designation appears on the vehicle's registration record and certificate following a declaration by the vehicle owner, insurer or, in the case of a vehicle originating outside Québec, the administrative authority of that jurisdiction. The vehicle must be rebuilt before it can be used on Québec roads.

Rebuilt (reconstruit)

This status designates a severely damaged vehicle rebuilt in Québec or elsewhere for which a technical compliance certificate and, subsequently, a mechanical inspection certificate have been issued by an SAAQ agent.

Note: The “rebuilt” status can be revoked if the SAAQ, one of its agents or a police officer finds irregularities in the rebuilding record. Even if the vehicle is already in operation, the SAAQ or the police officer could demand that the vehicle owner correct these irregularities. Should the owner refuse, the authorization for road use could be cancelled or the vehicle could be designated as a “severely damaged vehicle” once again.

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作者: Jerryfu 时间: 2013-3-27 22:27
在魁北克，对应名目应该是VGA，Véhicule gravement accidenté。

这些车要在魁北克卖，必须经过SAAQ的车检，所以技术上，还是road legal的。但在实际上，多数发生事故而非其他原因被定义为VGA的车辆，即便通过车检，损伤仍然是永久性的，修不回来了。没有鉴别能力的话，还是不碰为宜。
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楼上回答很专业！！！！

我是不大懂车，现在遇到了这个问题，所以提出来跟大家探讨。

按照规定，事故车必须经过车检合格才能被允许重新上路。
而且据统计目前魁北克有很多的SALVAGE过的二手车在出售。

现在的问题就是，修车的结果是否回到或者接近了车子被损前的水平？

如果懂车，能鉴别出车的修复水平，在接受范围，倒是可以淘来开开。
如果不懂车的，就干脆别碰了。

顺便提醒一下大家，购买二手车，花点钱查VIN，拿个车辆事故历史报告，是很有必要的。

作者: CheckMoteur 时间: 2013-3-27 23:05

Post by CheckMoteur;3200164
上周有位兄弟约了明天查二手车，说是头次买车，网上看到一辆mazda 3，2011年，超级便宜。到现在没再联系，估计不会来了吧。鉴于明天我的主要任务是通下水道，也不会联系回去了，这里把该说的话说出来，也算同时给思量买车的各位同胞提个醒：

市面上各类二手车里，有一种叫做VGA，法语“Véhicule Gravement Accidenté”的缩写，是经过重大事故返修的车。这类车会超级便宜，但你如果无法分辨，还是别碰为好。我经手过的VGA，十中有九，损伤是永久性的，根本修不回来。

举个例子，好像法规规定VGA要通过SAAQ车检，必须先做alignment，就是四轮对齐。这种alignment我做过tons，说老实话，就没一次真能对齐的时候。

印象里这边的某少数族裔，做这类生意的大批。活糙的吓人，就是表面的钣金+喷漆而已。我见过车梁上最大的两颗螺钉打脱丝了，就在外边露着半截的，底线真的好低。

VGA车再卖好像必须标明，但如果有人买来，再转手卖掉呢。我就一技工，法规方面比较外行，说不好。总之，小心为上。

从前在自己广告帖上发的一个，转过来参考。

具体法规我也不懂了，从前听哪个同事说过，找dealer买车的话，不管多大规模的吧，你只要问，他都有义务告诉你是否VGA，并承担责任。买私人的车，没法说了。

总之决定买车之前，各处查一下，相同年款里程的车，大体什么价位。便宜到出人意表的，都有严重事故车的嫌疑。

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