所以我在这里向我的同胞提议，多给我们自己同胞一些笑意和帮助，无论在MCGILL还是CONCORDIA或其他什么地方，也无论他是大陆来的，台湾来的还是香港来的，大家互相问一声“是中国人吗”，互相多笑笑，我想这不费很大力气，既然我们现在还渺小，不受别人待见，至少自己人内部还是需要互相待见的。此外，强烈建议在这个BBS上停止对中国人的任何形式的攻击、谩骂，那些认定自己同胞是野兽、是暴徒的家伙们，你们不配在这里说话。作者: shaniu 时间: 2001-9-16 23:09
我将无条件地全力支持你！对付哪些没见过世面的鬼佬是要有点骨气，实际上我觉得有些鬼是挺土的。只是在那里盲目自大。同胞们团结起来！向政界奋斗！。把人的素质体现给鬼看看！ :eek: :eek:作者: tryit 时间: 2001-9-16 23:11
I've the same feeling with you.
Our Chinese should be more friendly with each others in such a new environment, moreover,we should pay more attention to ourselves actions, which respect Chinese instead of only ourselves. When I studyed COFI, I felt shame with some of our fellows' performance,which had made a bad influence on the locals' attitudes to Chinese.作者: xing 时间: 2001-9-16 23:33
你到的是哪一个metro? 让大家都知道。作者: tiresome 时间: 2001-9-16 23:46
就是在DU PARC上的那个METRO，其实我从前也没有对它有过太多不好印象，但只一个瘦长脸且脸上有许多痘，留娃娃头，长度及肩之女性收银员（女同志总是观察很细）。PROVIGO是离COTE VERTU地铁最近的那家（曾经住在附近），连当地人也说那里的白人LESS CULTURED，所以也不足为怪了。作者: simonqu 时间: 2001-9-17 00:16
提示: 作者被禁止或删除 内容自动屏蔽作者: beholder 时间: 2001-9-17 10:55
小姑娘, 如果, 你是这么容易的就受到伤害, 那你还是回去吧, 这里不是好适合你. 回去吧, 至少, 在你自己的地盘上, 你可以一辈子保持自己一贯拥有的"优越感", 因为你"年轻、漂亮、教育背景好、工作资历好，还有信心".
中国最大的敌人不是美国, 不是日本, 而是我们自己.作者: wang8 时间: 2001-9-17 11:05
I don't know how come you feel Canadian are unfriendly. I've been to Canada for more than 10 years, but I've never ever feel be disciminated.
One suggestion: when you are on the line when checking out, have you ever considered that there are someone else are waiting as well? if the people ahead of me spend too many times talking with the cashier, I would feel annoyed, no matter that person ahead of me is chinese or canadian.
wang8 wellcome all kinds of verbal abuse, so if you want to say some bad words to me, go ahaed! hahaha...
the merciful wang8作者: janej 时间: 2001-9-17 12:13
to beholder,
Well, how to say, it seems your response is too much, think it over, to a new coming little girl, such kinds of critical words....
hope you are kind and friendly guy in the real, not only to...., but also to....作者: tiresome 时间: 2001-9-17 12:28
非常感谢各位的回贴，没想到这个帖子引起如此强烈的争鸣，这也是我当初不愿参与讨论任何问题的原因。
此外，也非常感谢“唯有您不是电影里"穷山恶水"的"刁民",你自尊, 自强, 有爱心, 有教养, 和洋人一样”，提升了中国人在洋人心目中的地位。不过最后还是请您想想“毒大米”和“原子弹”是一回事吗，可能您的思维太洋化了，已然不能接受我的问题，如是，就放弃思考吧。最后用一种在您看来来自不够文明的一族人的良好祝愿（但愿您能认为是良好的），祝您生活愉快，身体康健。
:cool:作者: beholder 时间: 2001-9-17 12:35
Thanks for you consideration. I AM what I wanna to be. I am just nobody, but I'd like to say something fair, all the time.
I am not just talking to the poor little girl. I am talking to everybody who likes to hear. Before you complain, check the mirror of ourselves. If you are strong enough, then nobody can look down at you. Don't expect others to respect you, unless you are respectable. Don't just blame others, unless you have nothing to be shame of.
This kind of Strength is what we need. This kind of Courage is what Chineses are lack of, now. If we can change ourselves, we can make a difference. That is the only way we can make a great nation.作者: wang8 时间: 2001-9-17 12:49
totally agree with beholder.
there are simply too many chinese here just complaining for nothing.
be strong, be successful are the only way of nothing being lookeddown.
this is not about discrimination. this is being lookeddown by normal people just because your behaviour is not COOL!
do yourself a favour, speek good language before wasting other people's time (both cashier and other people in line). people annoye you because they don't know what are you talking about. get it????作者: beholder 时间: 2001-9-17 13:21
wang8 has the point. The only difference between us is, we don't like to complain and we just simply do our best.作者: tiresome 时间: 2001-9-17 15:00
给janej朋友，
谢谢你的支持。我不相信恶意重伤他人的人会是生活中的成功人士，因为生活是太需要人与人之间的交往和理解了，所以即便某些人在口头上能给人冠冕堂皇的印象，特别是给鬼佬这种印象（在实际生活中他可能这样，但在这个网站中就不是他了），但内心的孤独和黑暗使他成为心灵深处的矮子（虽然帖子中的他如此高大和强健），他是可悲和不健全的，让他成为自己的英雄吧。 :cool:作者: lzhou 时间: 2001-9-17 17:32
To tiresome:
小人物创造历史进步!作者: XIAO88 时间: 2001-9-17 18:14
无论CASHIER事件TIRESOME是对是错，TIRESOME，我都支持你！在阐明自己观点时用语不当，甚至出口伤人， 动不动便“建议别人回去”，词穷后又说“懒得再理你”，在现实工作中必定不是一个好的LEADER。起码胸襟不够广阔。 不过或许是因为这是在网上，可以表现自己真实的一面。作者: Mikie 时间: 2001-9-17 18:56
by "trash" i mean "trash" like the ones tiresome had met at metro... ...there ARE garbages here, too... 作者: Lily99 时间: 2001-9-17 20:17
To beholder:
你是基督徒吗？如果不是，就不要拿你所不信仰的God 来说事儿；如果是，那你更不配“义正辞严”地在那里教训别人—基督徒的博爱与谦卑，理解与关怀哪里去了？歧视确实有，虽然阁下与Wang8先生“从未遇到过”，但你没见过的事难道就不存在吗？这也未免太可笑了。依照你的观点，中国人在这里所遇到的不友善的待遇全是自找的，白人个个都素质超群？那么这里的偷盗，抢劫，杀人等等又是如何发生的？全世界哪里都有品质不高的人。遇到不愉快的事发发牢骚又有什么错了，用的着阁下摆出一副高人一等的派头对别人横加教训么？我最腻烦那些自以为是的“精英”们和那些虚伪的假基督徒了！作者: laocai 时间: 2001-9-17 20:35
全世界的人都疯了，支持美国报复，美国能保证不伤到贫民？伊拉克和南斯拉夫的平民死的时候，我们的“精英”门悲痛过吗？
我相信你混得并不怎么样。作者: beholder 时间: 2001-9-20 16:45
弱者最好的选择当然是逃避.
想赢不难, 只须自己努力, 骂"我"容易, 可惜解决不了问题.
小姑娘, 路漫漫, 其休远兮, 你要再接再励. 如果"智商"太低, 谁也救不了你. 锣鼓听音, 看书取"意".
"革命"尚未成功, 大家继续努力...作者: sayousayme 时间: 2001-9-20 17:12
看了好几天戏了，也想掰呼两句，beholder兄（不过看你的文风倒象MM）,你可不象个BEHOLDER，JOIN得也太多了。都“我惜墨如金, 懒得再理你.”还跑回来费什么话，人家好长时间没答理你了，你倒三番五次地教训人家蠢，说人家笨也不嫌絮叨的慌，不过风格倒有些象wang8兄（绝对不是MM）。人家是弱者，那你是强者呗，强者就你这个德行，我宁可当弱者。人连最起码的同情心也没了与禽兽有啥两样。 :mad: 作者: Lily99 时间: 2001-9-20 17:36
完全赞同shasha 和sayoysayme！
Beholder，你就闭咀吧！明明水平不怎么样，还偏要摆出一副“英雄救国”的架势在这里喋喋不休，真是没有自知之明！ 作者: yanghb 时间: 2001-9-20 20:09
怎么说呢,都有个自的道理.但我不是和事佬,我的观点是：理想和现实有差距,面对现实需要勇气.作者: casino 时间: 2001-9-21 01:13
唉，可惜，象beholder这样的人太少了，不然中国就有救了。作者: wang8 时间: 2001-9-21 15:10
what's wrong with being the mistress of a Pakestainee? sex should have no borders. you think you are better than her? sure she should be prouded when she gets a job. everyone would be prounded when he/she get a job. what's wrong with being a bookkeeper?
are you a little bit jealous?作者: hi-hi 时间: 2001-9-21 17:29
每年来几万中国人，肯定素质有差别，愿每个人都能做好。 :rolleyes: :mad: 作者: xiaopeng 时间: 2001-9-23 22:31
今天出门脚下没踩着香蕉皮吧？都那么大火气，真面对面还不得打起来？以前都没什么仇吧？哎，我看这热闹很久了，让我说句心里话：谁都有理，只是态度都不太友好，都是同胞……大可不必，哈哈。没什么事早点洗洗睡吧，我再不来了。跟帖的别骂我喔，在异乡给老乡数落一顿——很不爽的。作者: ccquebec 时间: 2001-9-27 16:45
别到了这里就总觉着受了歧视,生了什么气,简直是自找.在国内各地的歧视比这里严重多了,在北京,在上海,对外地人歧视的多么厉害,这里对你够尊敬了.岁数大了,来到这里,别动不动就自找气受.你是语言不好,在国内遇见这种情况可以同店员沟通,因为都讲中文,别生气了,回家先练练口语,别挺大岁数,在国外给中国人丢脸,动不动就生气,开朗点好不好,这不是中国,装蛋就找错地方了.作者: tiresome 时间: 2001-9-28 01:47
我本来没打算再来光顾这个帖子，感谢网络这个虚拟的社会让这么多人有露脸的地方，否则不知会有多少人鳖死了，把生活中自己的失意和不如意发到别人身上却也是一种“转移疗法”。说别人语言不好的人，我不能说能和老外比，但比你还不是什么要命的事情。论给中国人争脸，你以为就凭你这种连自己都不尊重自己的人吗？
通过这一段的帖子之争，我越发感觉到人的确没有种族之分，只有人的差异。我有几位鬼佬朋友，每个人都不同，所以使得我和每个人的关系都有差别，就象跟中国人做朋友一样，也有远近亲疏。每个人生活在不同的环境里使他在表达自己的意思方面都有别人不同的方式，某些人喜欢用这个的字眼，另些人喜欢用那个的字眼，不过我想在这世界上伤人很容易，而帮助别人却很难，如果某些人只会恶言恶语这种本能的反映就不要在这显眼了。放心，这个帖子我是不会再跟了，不过等着瞧下一个吧。作者: ccquebec 时间: 2001-9-28 11:28
抱歉,本人发的那个帖子言语过于尖刻.是的tiresome说的比较对,人种族差异不大,其实主要是体现在文化上的.我在国内时也从来不说哪给地方的人怎么样,只讲某个人怎么样.所以,我觉的人的差异主要在个体,但好多人把自己身边人或是自己城市的人的个体优势当成是群体优势,总是拿来歧视别的地方人,本人在北京打工身有体会,去上海游玩身有体会,去香港更是身有体会,反而来到这里体会就淡了.总之,我们来到这里就是外国人,善待自己,善待别人,让中国人在这里少些争吵,少些互相倾扎,多些团结.谢谢!作者: ypwang 时间: 2001-10-1 13:46
now i agree with wang8 more and more, he is a strongee in life despite some of his cynical opinions.
tiresome , dont be so sensitive to foreigner`s attitude , that is nonsense.作者: tryit 时间: 2001-10-3 11:38
Under most of the circumstances, it's OURSELVES,not the others, work!
Amongst most of the elements, it's our ATTITUDE, not the action, count!
In our Chinese BBS, it's FRIENDLY, not the satirizing, being perferred!作者: SUNGANG 时间: 2001-11-2 22:29
我为wang8兄鸣不平
我到想请问fishbird兄：你不远万里的来到加拿大难道是你大脑中的操作系统出了问题，不得不如此？
如果不是，那岂不是嫌弃老祖宗的土地？
不在于用什么语言说。
而在于说什么
难道用汉语说粗话就比用英语讲道理显得爱国？
世界上有很多事情是很容易做的，比如说自己的母语，比如指责别人不爱国。作者: EnjoyLife 时间: 2001-11-3 01:55
" 理想和现实有差距,面对现实需要勇气."
I strongly agree yanghb!!!
I have similar experiece as tiresome. There are one fast restarant, every time I go, they serve me very slowly, always let me wait. I was upset. Actually I was not sure if they are mean to me because of racial descriminatin or just they don't like me as a single individual.
Sometimes I complained when I felt this, and then felt better. If I felt necessary, I would quarrel with those people whiel trying not be really angry in my mind :-). It is better than keep the grievance in heart.
Besides, I feel people are same in that he/she will give up if you are more strong than him/her. I think some of our Chinese friends are behaving too nice, especially with white people, it won't bring their respect to us. My experience when dealing with Americans is, be strong, even aggressive, but in a good manner.
Again, thank you Tiresome for sharing your feelings. Maybe we are a little more sensitive in this matter, and we have less direct frustrating experience of unfair treatment in China, but we definitely have the right to clarify and/or fight against any descrimination. Free expression of opinion and feeling is part of western culture I feel good about.作者: shanshan 时间: 2001-11-5 16:44
I like EnjoyLife's attitude. BTW, I am not showing off my English. For some reasons, I can only read Chinese but can not write in Chinese.
Everybody sometimes has the feeling to complain when we think we are treated unfairly. Everybody sometimes needs advice from others but in a nice way.
Discrimination exists everywhere even in China. In Canada, I believe the situation must be better than in other foreign countries as there are many different ethnics here. I am very proud of being a Chinese. Here few Chinese live on welfare. Most of us have high-level education. Although some of us are studying in universities and living on loan and bursuary, we are preparing to be a taxes payer later. Let's be confident and less sensitive.作者: yorku 时间: 2001-11-13 13:29
上学时学马哲，记得有‘内因决定外因，内因起决定作用’这一原理。外因是你不可改变的，只能通过改变内因来作用于外因，从而达到最终改变外因的目的。
打个也许不恰当的比方：
比方说你长了6个手指，还有一些其他东西也和别人不一样，别人都看你不顺眼，你不可能堵住所有人的嘴，自己私下痛骂笑话你的人似乎可解一时之气，但恐怕也不能避免下次还被人笑。怎么办呢？积极的方法有二：
1。痛下决心，割掉6指和所有不同，和别人一样。
可是因6指和其他是遗传，你又觉得割了要被自己家人看不起，况且你的家人还有7指，8指的呢，更难看，可你也不可能让他们全割了，何况你的遗传里还有很多好的东西，丢了可惜呢。
2。多向笑话你的人展示你遗传中好的部分，并努力发扬光大它们，带起手套来，把那不好看的6指收好。（偶尔在家人面前露一下倒不要紧〕久而久之，人们一定会不再注意你的6指了，甚至有可能连你家人的7指，8指也忽略了呢。
当然，也有消极的方法：干脆躲在家里别出门，反正家人还有比你还难看的呢，谁也别笑话谁。 作者: wang8 时间: 2001-11-14 12:53
yorku, you get it!
best analysis i've ever seen on this site.作者: dancing cat 时间: 2001-11-14 15:19
争了这么久，大家一定都累了，心平气和地坐下来歇歇吧，手捧一杯香茗，一起来欣赏一篇写得不错的好文章，想象着我们大家都一起围坐在壁炉边，每个人脸上都洋溢着一种平和安逸的、友善的微笑。不知为什么，很多寂寞、空虚、失意的时候，我总会想起坛子里的大家，想象着每个人的样子，想象着每一个人的生活，想起你们的时候，就会让我觉得我并非那么孤独，并非正身处异乡，因为你们就是我血浓于水的同胞呀！
多一点点理解吧，再多一点点宽容！下面转载的这篇文章，希望你们喜欢！
不知我的这种思想是否为中国人民劣根的表现之一？作者: yorku 时间: 2001-11-15 13:36
I knew why everybody looks down He Nan Ren again and again. 作者: hiker 时间: 2001-11-17 01:03
yorku, why do you jump on this conclusion so fast?
