ronado

看来误解的力量太强大了，我在国内就没看过几条说台湾好的消息，在国外也没看过几条说大陆好的消息，偏见加上固执，造成了人们的互相防备和仇恨。zee，你要讨论中国的改革就单纯说这个。至于其他，好好地生活就是了，不要干那些偷蒙拐骗的事，也不要琢摸着往谁的杯子里吐口水了。

ronado

chench，你还提出这个问题也太没水平了，拜托

iebuz

To Zee:

First of all, do you miss some my questions?

To your points:
1. “even the whole Europe is dependent on US,”
Are you making mistakes? The whole Europe throve from 14th century when the movement of humanism started. US is only after 2nd world war. What are you talking about? I am talking about the origin of civilization or the cultivation of the world. One step back, the whole Europe was dependent on US, US was depending on whom?

2. “african are way way behind civilization than Chinese,”
Can I get the conclusion that Chinese were civilized?

“however, South Africa, after being colonized by Europeans, is still among the most developed country in the continent.”
Is south Africa is different from other South African countries? What is the difference? From what you said above, Can I conclude that colonialism is helping the development of a country and a nation? Do I misunderstand you or are you misleading the readers? Can you give a definite answer?

3. “HK people migrated to Canada because they feared CCP to death when HK was handed over to CCP”
Why the Mainlanders should love to be under the control of communism all their life? Why they should give up the opportunities to get rid of communist control?

“I am not quite sure why Taiwanese migrate, but their number is not as many as those of HKness and mainlanders”
You yourself don’t know the reason of immigration of Taiwanese, Why are you curious about the fact that mainlanders were immigrating one after another? How do you get the conclusion “one after another”? Why you only ask the motivation of immigration of mainlanders instead of Taiwanese?

4. “i said as A GROUP.”
I admit there is some reason in what you said. However, AS A GROUP, why don’t give the examples of Taiwanese or Hknese?

5. “don't be stupid, son.”
Don’t use the insulting words, or I could be more offensive. It is an equal argument on both sides.
“it's a matter of perfection of system in Taiwan, while it's a matter of existence of system in mainland.”
OK, you may insist on it. However, perfection or existence, it is the same to me. You may think that it is perfection in TW while existence or non-existence in ML. What I can tell you is that this perfection exists in your illusion.

6. “Li Denghui is denounced by most Taiwaness”
You said that TW was a democratic country, at least everyone could elect whoever to be president. Li was not the person you Taiwanese elected? How did you use the democracy? How could you elect someone to be president while he did not represent TW. Can you further explain the perfect democratic system in TW?

7. “MT911 wants to make friends with mainlander fellows but get snubbed, that's because mainlanders are so evil that nobody can trust nobody no more”
Do you agree to the conclusion of passerby113, that is he (she? I am not sure) has two neighbors from HK and TW who are prostitutes here in Montreal, so all the ladies from HK and TW are doing the same? Are you willing to give a direct answer to this question?

8. “I don't negate myself as a member chinese nationality, I just point out a simple fact that mainlanders are bad due to the fact they are from a land on the road to perdiction.”
I don’t agree. There are good natured and bad natured people everywhere. Maybe you only meet or see the bad natured mainlanders, but your conclusion is not acceptable.

Finally, as a personal advise, spend more time to improve your English!

iebuz

To Chench,

You were copying what Zee said before, but he himself has already given the answers. Are you willing to copy it and post it here?

meiqu

太浪费大家的宝贵时间了，建议什么zee,lemontea chench把你们的观点亮给你们的西人朋友，看他们把你们当什么东西，与其在这里劝中国人被殖民，不如去动员殖民者赶快行动，保证用不了这么多口舌，马上会有结论，或许主子一说话，你会顿开茅塞。

chench

这摸紧张，
你的主子是共产党罗？
还是那句话，众人皆醉我独醒，有幸结识到ZEE LEAMAN 等志同道合的朋友不翼乐乎！

guitar_singer

zee你们几位：
治国安邦的大问题，各位的看法不失道理，但问题太大，留给历史去回答吧。

但几位的”道德沦丧“，”精神分裂“，”禽兽不如“之类的言辞伤害了很多无辜的人，你们还不觉得吗？

大家移民过来为了个人利益，但也没有出卖祖国的尊严和利益。假如说，宣誓入籍的时候要加上一句“从此与中国为敌”，我想很多人不会要这个护照的。

真诚建议你们生活中更多地接触一些各种背景的新移民，假如你们不想的话，那这个网站你们也不必来了，因为这里大多是大陆来的新移民。

作为一个普通人，我只知道，在国外待了几年就自认为高人一等看不起同胞是太轻狂，把某个地区的人看成圣人而把某个地区的人看成魔鬼完全是歧视。

我在一开始真的想跟贴下去的，因为我真的不愿意一个大陆来的新移民发现这里的中国人都这么冷漠（假如听从你们的劝告的话）。但这个帖子到现在，已经完全变味充满谩骂了（双方的），我想该是喊“停”时候了。各位的意思，都应该基本表达了，观者自有见解。

什么？你争上瘾了？

我可没瘾，我啥都没瘾。有瘾多半不会是好事。

夜航船

看到你们在网上的言论，非常令我失望。我现在人虽然在国内，但我的心时刻关注着在海外特别是加拿大的华人、华侨的生活情况。我现在总算明白了为什么西人说我们“每个人是条龙、3个人在一起是条虫”的道理了，为什么走出国门了还要有地域、派别的间隙呢？大家都是同祖同根的中国人，这是永远都改变不了的事实，西人只知道我们“黑头发、黄皮肤”是中国人。如果大家真的想让别人尊重我们中国人的话，希望大家不要在“窝里斗”了，真的！！

iebuz

I agree with black bird. It is time to stop arguing. Everyone has his own opinion, he or she can express it freely here, however, respect to others is required, and it is better not to insult others.

Zee, lemon tea, whoever else, you can share your opinion with whoever agrees with you, and stay in your circle, it is all OK. For me, I totally agree to what black bird said below: 作为一个普通人，我只知道，在国外待了几年就自认为高人一等看不起同胞是太轻狂，把某个地区的人看成圣人而把某个地区的人看成魔鬼完全是歧视。However, you can say you don't agree. It does not matter, you can keep your own opinion.

This website is open to everyone, and I personally think you will be welcome to continue to browse and express your opinion here. However, my personal advise is: try to avoid using insulting expressions while you are airing your view. Take it or not, it is all up to you.

Bye, my friends, at least friends we can argue.

偏要！！

TO ZEE：没有人能够接受你对大陆人、黑人的歧视态度。的确，大陆以前的政治压榨走了很多人性中美好的东西，但那是制度问题，不是人性本身。事实上，人本性既非善，亦非恶，而是中性的，哪里人都是如此，重要的是制度：是把人逼入绝境，图穷匕现；还是激发人天性中善良的一面？
所以，不能简单下结论说那里人好，那里人坏，否则容易走向万恶的纳粹。
如果西人歧视你，你认为是应得的吗？
你现在做的，应该是尽量以美好的言行改变过去大陆人造成的坏印象（至少独善其身），还是鄙视同胞以示自己与众不同？后者有终极意义吗？一积极一消极，谬以千里！
TO LEMON TEA：
AMEN！BE QUIET FOR EVER~！
TO IWON：嗨！一万！不要闹事！当心大哥我把你打个一炮双响，不就是不打幺九碰碰和了吗？！    再说还有一饼一条呢！ 还有M你那八条姐，更没用！        
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