从美国出境...

ccmail · 发表于 2003-6-29 21:03

Hi, Stcum,
  对于驾车者，有时虽然偶尔因交通堵塞等特别情况不查验你证，但你的车牌号每次是自动被录下来收存另做统计用的。
  For such statistical purpose, it might be used for transport analysis but not for customs record use. Because if customs hope to check your entry and departure by car number, they have to use the database from transport ministry. It is possible if they are investigating such a case as a criminal case or other servere situation.  I mean it is possible,but not very easy and definitely not a regular inspection.

To 看病,

美国和加拿大不是“交换当天记录的”，而是就是一个系统，直接连接的。也就是你一到达美国，加拿大就知道了。你回来，美国也知道了。
美加边境有太多的高技术手段，不是我们能取巧的。
  Your comments are too suspectable.  Can you provide more details to demonstrate it?
Or you just image that such Hi-tech system is really existing for Canada. I really doubt that!!
As I know, US customs use IBM mainframe system to trace entry and their system might be highly interchangeable. but for Canada, I don't think so.
  As I remembered, when I register for medicare card in Montreal,they request the applicant to live in Quebec at 6 months per year. I ask how to demonstrate that if I frequently travel to US. The officer said you should demonstrate yourself, e.g. bank record, AMT receipt or other buying. I ask if they can check the border customs record, the officer said it is impossible for they don't have right to check their record unless a charge is made, e.g. a criminal case or request from court.  So..
看病, just prove your comments. thanks.. :->

看病 · 发表于 2003-6-30 11:55

我觉得你的想法大多基于猜测，也并没有什么证据。
我举两个例子，一次我在11点左右去美国，美国的检察官扫描了护照（我也不知道他们在护照上干了什么，反正没有戳）。然后，我在下午一点钟左右回加拿大，加拿大的检察官问我去美国干什么，我说去看一个朋友，可是他立刻就问我怎么就去了两个小时？很明显他是知道我的具体出境时间的。但事实上，只有美国海关知道我的出境时间。

还有一次我从Winsor出境，美国的检察官问我去干什么，我说去看朋友，他立刻就问我：你开车1000多公里来看朋友？很明显他也知道我的车子是魁北克的，而且也不是我告诉他的。

至于你说的美国海关用IBM主机，这我倒是不知道，但是你的结论说IBM主机highly interchangeable不知道有什么根据。

canusa · 发表于 2003-7-1 11:02

没想到这个问题还在讨论。实际上每个人所遇到的情况都会有所不同。就我个人每天出入美加边境达两年之久，遇到的情况也可以说是五花八门。但对于美加每天交换信息之说不敢苟同。我们很多人都住在美国，一住几个月甚至一年半载都很平常，但每次回加国时，海关问我们出境多长时间了，答案用远是半天。在加国海关，有一个车牌扫描器，只能扫后面的车牌，但并非一直使用的。我们的办法就是拆掉后车牌，几年了，从未遇到麻烦。很多人在美国住了三四年后申请入加籍也没问题。但我也听说有极少数人运气不好被查出的，但我认识的人里面都顺利入籍了。美国海关这边就没看见车牌扫描器。如果你已经入加籍，那就更简单。出境时，只要把公民卡给美国海关看就行了。

夏日 · 发表于 2003-7-1 12:02

你好，canusa，

你所提到用公民卡出境的情况对我非常重要，其实最初我提出“从美国出境“之话题的原因是：我想回中国住一段时间(我已经拿到公民)，少责三五年，多责十年八年，但我不想让加国政府知道这些年我没有居住在加国，退税等其它事宜我都有办法处理，唯独出入境问题我没有把握。如果我从美国走，我打算请朋友开他的车带我走，出境时我想用公民卡。凭你的经验，这个计划可否达到目的。我非常希望得到你一个确切的答复，我等待你的回信。多谢！

canusa · 发表于 2003-7-1 14:43

既然你已经入加籍，那你为什么怕留下出境记录呢？这对你有什么影响吗。如果你申请离开加拿大三到五年，你还可以免交加国的税(也许你是想让加国给你退税，但这是违法的，要小心。)。我可能没明白你的情况。你是不是想先到美国，然后再从美国回中国，在入中国境内时用中国护照。如果是这样，那你得小心。这绝对是违反中国法律的，一旦查出，你可就惨了。不过，你如果用加国护照入境中国，那你只能在中国待三个月。要想申请中国绿卡，那可不容易啊。我下面说的情况只适用于美--加的往返，不包括中国的出入境。再补充一点，你出加国国境到美国用公民卡完全没问题，但你出美国国境到中国，公民卡可能不管用了。

ccmail · 发表于 2003-7-1 23:18

to 看病:
If your experience is true, that is really severe, it really means CA and US will change info in real time but I never have such experience before, As I enter CA, the customes officer always ask three questionL
1, where are you living?
2. How long have been leaving CA?
3. Do you have sth to declare, cigrette or wine?
That is so simple. My experience is similar to canuse, my answer is alway "1 week"!!
看病, your experience is great for me to know more.
As I say about interchangeablity of system data, it refers to the US system after 911. As I come back to CA after April this year, CA customs will stamp time on my passport in additional to scaning my passport. US implement some new system to interconnect to other system that can trace all your info in real time including SAVIS. But for canada, it might have all departure and entry info for you, but they might check many system to trace your info. so I agree with canusa they MIGHT not check all your info when you apply for CA citizenship but if they feel it is really necessary for they to INVESTIGATE you, they can get all the info they want. :->

To 夏日:
If you are canada citizen and you can apply non-tax citizen, that means you only maintain your CA citizenship but you don't pay any tax, of course, you don't have pension plan in CA, and any bank account. But if you hope to come China using chinese passport and you are already a Canada citizen, you should be very careful.

To canusa,
Are you already a CA citizen? I am now working in U.S but I really hope to get CA citizen. But I am really worried if I was found not living in Ca for totally 3 years. That will be serious to me. Have you really knwo many guys in U.S apply for CA citizen but only live in US for 3 years? I really hope to get more details. thanks!!

STCUM · 发表于 2003-7-2 03:26

我曾开车带两位朋友经QUEBEC的边境去美国NEW YORK (A87)及BOSTON(A89)，我的驾照与车号全齐也主动出示了PASSPORT及公民卡，而带的两位朋友却被请下来，进行了登记，幸好她们也带了PASSPORT。
我猜主要是(亚裔，华人移民)常为很小的盈头私利去设法明知故做不合法规的事，而不敢正大光明，才造成平日过边关时特引边关官员注意与盘问(包括华裔冒名偷渡等)。这也是为何在温哥华机场，华人移民的行李为何总被海关官员当面抽查，且往往总可查到未申报的限量物品及食品。海关官员也常以查出华人移民的本不值几个钱的未申报的限量物品成为她们茶余饭后嘲笑我们华人的笑料和当日的工作成果。只有我们自律，永远自觉地做合法的事，才可赢得文明社会的荣誉，比如我们华人从不拖欠缴纳房租，话费，电费等方面就已不知不觉地赢得了社会与社区公认的好评，荣誉和信誉，加国房东也才愿意接纳我们华人房客，银行也愿为我们华人贷款等。
预祝各位都正大光明合法的发财，遇事三思后行，合法的发财与积累才过得坦荡，为华人移民再创新荣誉。

canusa · 发表于 2003-7-2 06:27

To ccmail,

Sure! I have many friends who lived in US but they kept an address in Canada and also paid Canadian Tax every year. They all got their Canadian Citizenship without any problems. But there may have some special cases since I don't know your situations.

夏日 · 发表于 2003-7-2 14:33

canusa 及其他对此有经验的朋友们：

我不愿留下出境记录的确有难言之隐，我并不担心报税问题，最关心的还是不留记录至少到明年。我想用公民卡从加拿大到美国，然后从美国回中国用加国护照。回来时也同样。不知这样是否可行。请指教，多谢。

canusa · 发表于 2003-7-2 17:35

To 夏日,

当你从美国出境到中国及从中国入境美国都会有记录。如果加方对你有怀疑，是肯定查得出的。我们这边的人都是从DETROIT离境去中国，然后再从中国入境DETROIT再入境加国。如果你没有享受加国的福利，被查出问题可能也不太大，否则，会有麻烦。总之，这种事情就看运气了。我估计你有90%的可能性能蒙过去。但你的离开的时间太长，不好说。

补充一点，其实美加之间往返用什么证件都无所谓，一般都不会有记录(至少对住在边境的居民是如此)。但谁能保真呢？说不定他心血来潮或看你不顺眼，任是要查验你的护照，甚至请你到海关谈一谈也可能啊。他有这个权力，甚至拒绝你入境。所以，还是这句话，运气。有一句中国话怎么说来着。运气不好，喝凉水都塞牙。

记得911那阵子，住在我们这边的中东人(在美国工作)每次入境美国都被查个半死，狠不得连祖宗三代都要查个水落石出，这些人只能整天喊倒霉。