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发表于 2002-9-24 16:51 | 只看该作者
各位网友,大家好!
我本来计划要小孩,但看到大家的看病经验,都被下住了.小孩子是会经常生病的,并且一发烧就会烧的很高很急,又不会讲话.如果也象下面所说的排队等候,孩子恐怕早坚持不住了.有没有带孩子看过病的朋友,请你们介绍一下情况.
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发表于 2002-9-27 19:33 | 只看该作者
一次孩子口腔溃疡,到医院急诊室等了2个小时,医生特别优待,比别人等的时间少2个小时,开了一种特效药,2次就好了,但请求检查其他症状(夜间盗汗等),答曰:急诊不看,请找专科医生.

第二次孩子发烧,扁桃发炎,一早到医院门诊,等了半个多小时,医生检查格外仔细,询问了很多问题,量了体温,提取了口腔分泌物供化验,但结果要3天后出来,这之前医生什么药都没开,只是让去买退烧药,温度高了就吃,然后帮忙约了专科医生,但要等2个星期.

本人老毛病犯了,想到医院开点消炎药,国内带的吃完了,检查预约到一个月后.除了祈祷,还能作什么?

这里的医生没有检验结果打死他也不会给开药的,而很多治病的药如消炎药没有处方是买不到的.搞不懂为什么会这样?

愿移民同胞全家身体健康!
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发表于 2002-9-27 22:48 | 只看该作者
to 210
我是国内的一间很好医院的眼科医生。对你的症状有几点意见。
1。通常无大碍,多可能是视力疲劳及屈光不正。门诊验光便知。
2。但是要排除一下可能,根据研制程度和发病几率如下:
A。颅压增高症状(又脑部疾患),表现如tdbank所述
B。眼底病变,如中浆,中渗等为青年人易得的,或血管炎,出血等等。去诊所看眼底。
C。青光眼。眼压增高。发病时测眼压,以及常规青光眼检查
D。角膜病变。门诊常规的前节检查。
E。全身病变如肾脏等(但你的不象,因为那多影响双眼),但是对于有糖尿病等的还要特别注意。眼底联合全身检查。
相关的还可能有眼肌视神经病变。
顺便说一下,这里多数的大夫很粗糙。不是内行你根本不知道。一般病人只根据大夫的态度和看病的时间持续长短来选择或是判断本领多少就大错特撮。另外根据处方的大小也不是关键。
如要看眼科,相对来说Victoria hospital 较强。(和北京的瞳仁和协和相比还差距较小一点)。别的医院吗,除了结膜炎,近视眼等等就差多了。
如果你愿意可以再和我联系。
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24#
发表于 2002-9-29 15:45 | 只看该作者
天那,小孩子发烧要等三天!如得个急性肺炎,那会是什么结果?还有没有带孩子看过病的?多谢已菲,你孩子的溃疡好了吧?我也经常长溃疡,但没办法,每次长出来都得忍受7-10天才能好.
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发表于 2002-9-29 23:18 | 只看该作者
建议版主尽快开设防病治病,求医问药专栏。
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发表于 2002-9-30 21:38 | 只看该作者
我是北京一家很好医院的心内科医生。刚到一个多月。我目前在加拿大的这所医院的整体医疗水平还是可以的,这是为什么我们来这儿学习的原因。但确如上面有些同志发现的,整体来说,对门诊患者和急诊患者看得太粗,没有同情心。对尚未得出诊断的患者和相对病情较轻的患者来说,确不如北京几家大医院。但对已经确诊的重症患者和需手术的患者,还是比较细致的,水平还是高的。但手术须等时间,检查也须预约,时间也不短。

从医生的角度来看,这儿的病人太听话了。

这只是我短时间比较得出的粗浅的体会,不一定完全符合情况。

顺便提一下,万一哪一位不幸有心血管及高血压方面的问题,我或许能帮点忙或提点建议。

li3mz@yahoo.com.cn
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发表于 2002-9-30 21:47 | 只看该作者
to li3mz
are you from beijing? to learn medical science at mcgill? if you have time, we can have a talk about medicine and related topic.
good luck
j
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发表于 2002-10-2 21:01 | 只看该作者
To 69 and li3mz and those who want to know medicine(neurology/neurosurgery)/Montreal/Mcgill related issues  I am the person who is most qualified to have a say. xulao@yahoo.com
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发表于 2002-10-2 22:47 | 只看该作者
美国是否也是这种状况?
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发表于 2002-10-3 21:00 | 只看该作者
To whom it may concern

Dear Madam/Sir:

I like to learn more about medical error and side effects to protect my rights since I am a victim, and I was on anti-depression medical treatment from 1996 up to today. The medical treatment I received even made me worse than before. And I lost able to work that I have to rely on social welfare to survive.

The side effects I got made me lost sexual function then I got sense add with my testis; end of 1997 when I was discharged from hospital, I was just like vegetable--my movement like old age people, my mind can't function well; I couldn't concentrate to do anything...

I went back to learn more about side effects, doctor told me the hospital used the anti-depression treatment is very advanced no side effects show. With continually medical treatment, I was suffered and my doctor changed three times of the inscription of medication try to adjust, unfortunately didn't work out.

start 1998, I try to find a job to quite welfare support to live as a normal life, with the concentration and slow movement, I was always failed even with a simple job; and I have to quite French class and stop my English tutoring class with the same reason.

With the changing of anti-depression medicine, the side effects even showing more stronger that I have went back to hospital emergency to waiting minimum 6 hours just to have a short to stop the suffering of the side effects since it made me lost hope to continue my life...

Since end of 1998, I became sleepless (everyday less a hour per sleep) and I have to back to the emergency to have a short from two months once, then one month once; two weeks once became once week once, twice... I don't know what to do with this anymore, my family relative and friends all lost a hope thought I would live like this forever.

I was lucky to have a sister who is Chinese doctor. With her help, I found Asian traditional medical treatment that I almost get out from depression and side effects. The reason why I was unable to cure complete because the law of Welfare system that I have to return back from Thailand and China for the medical treatment.

Even that, I am already feel much better since I stop to take anti-depression medication and I learned how to use acupressure, magnetism water and Chinese meditation to continually healing my illness and side effects that I was preparing back to work.

Since I was under bankruptcy protection, my daughter took her education found to let me get remarry and try to start a family business to live by our own without welfare support, but things didn't work out since we got fraud again by Bank of Montreal.

I was lucky to get remarried during the first treatment I received in Thailand--today my new wife join with us living together as a family class immigrant and we also have a little baby girl who is already a Canadian citizen.

With a new hope, I found a program SAJE and I made a business plan try to start all over again to have a simple warm family life. Unfortunately SAJE didn't accept my project that I have to redo again. And with financial reason, we unable to exercise our legal rights with Bank of Montreal...

With all the unfair I had passed through 7 years once my late wife death that I am involved with all kind of legal problems since MUC police just used me then left me in the darkness, with the negligent, discrimination and unrespectable of my legal rights, my family and I have to facing all kind difficulties without ending...

I still try to work out with all kind difficulties to quite welfare and live as a normal life as the others, but the last hope I was putting on with my deputy and CLSC social service, the result told me it was my other dreaming.

I put back a hope from hospital again my doctor again since at Metal Institution it provides different services at least have some one would listen to me to make me fell better. I was regretted since with the wrong impression my doctor received from my social worker, he believed I was in danger with my self and the others; by force, I was in hospital Adult Mental Institution for closing medical treatment and confinement.

No matter how much my family and I tried to let they understand this was a mistaking since I just looking for social support, it was not looking for hospitalize. With the Mental Institution, except general helpers who believe this is medical error, no one else. With discriminations of my remarriage and Asian traditional medical treatment I received especially of the fact is proving western depression treatment failed, doctor was so mad since I stop to take western medical treatment instead I am continually using Asian traditional.

During I was in the Metal Institution until my lawyer released me on June 28, 2002, I was suffered by the way de treated: Without respect, instead provide social service to my family since doctor put me inclosing treatment, with my request, doctor called Sun Youth Children Protection try to take away our baby; furthermore, doctor put me UTT and claiming this is better place for me to stay.

With the first medical treatment I received in 1997 and follow by this medical error, no one from the hospital tells me about my legal rights and how do I excising my legal rights. Without respect my decision freedom choice of medication especially with my Chinese meditation practicing, UTT forced me to receive anti-injection and they were claiming Asian traditional medical treatment doesn’t work, that’s why I was here that they locked me on the bed more than 5 hour even I didn’t against physically to receive anti-depression injection.

With my complaint of the way treat that doctor promised me once I am in Mental Institution, I would get social service in the hospital and I should see doctor in the same date. But once they put me in 4 East, no one comes to see me even with my requests, and with my basically request to see a physical doctor regarding the side effects and other physical  health problems that no one cares.

I try to find a way to learn what are my legal rights since I believe this is a medical error. But it was impossible since Mental Institution never let me instead they even cut phone line to stop I have a phone conversation with my lawyer. Once more, when I found out my legal rights and I want contest the medical error, doctor pretended there was no legal action against me. But the day before the court hearing, my lawyer found out, then doctor told me according my present health condition, it’s not good idea to let me appear at the court.

I disagreed and I try to learn more about how to protect and exercise my legal rights, but it was impossible. I left messages on hospital lawyer answering machine to confirm I want contest to appear in the court. With doctor request any complaints I should drop down by written, but it never responded with my any letters. Furthermore, the date of before my hearing time, doctor refused my request instead they disconnected phone line till passed hour of my hearing time.

Once more, doctor made an order only I could access phone three times per shift with in 10 minutes including the phone call with my lawyer. And they don’t care the family crisis since they put me in hospital especially my wife just new arrived without any relative and friend that everyone were so scared I will on anti-depression treatment again and just one injection I received I suffered with side effects brought back everyone to the past the way they saw me…

That was the only support I could provide to my family with phone conversation took away from me since we never get any support from social service either by hospital nor CLSC that was the only way I was supporting them through by talk on the phone. Furthermore, doctor threaten me with get order for force injection, and doctor and social worker from the hospital were accusing me I made phone harassment to hospital lawyer and Ombudsman of Hospital…

The fact is: I called hospital lawyer to exercise my legal rights, left 4 messages of request to join the hearing to appear that was never responded; I call Ombudsman of hospital, the lady promised me to leave my name then she will call me back, instead High Care was accusing me of I insulted that lady more than 6 times… That the complaint we dropped—by my family and myself, up to today, no any respond.

Furthermore, before the court time, I was just have a phone conversation with Administratif du Quebec to find away how could I protect and exercise my legal rights with the unrespectable, not humanly treatment I was facing too, with doctor order, High Care disconnect the phone line with the reason of I was to exciting. Doctor insulted my family and me.

Doctor told me the reason put in closing medical treatment and confinement because I was too active, overreacting, delusional. They thought all the legal and financial problems and all the difficulties I facing to, they believe that was just my imagination especially the fraud we recently got from Bank of Montreal; even my daughter brought all the proofs want doctor to look at all I said is real, but no doctor pay attention on it, instead they just do what they like to do.

With my complaint of force injection, doctor put me in High Care and claiming that is quite place better for me to stay. From 4 East to UTT, they ask security men forced my family leave to stop they visiting me; from UTT transferred me to High Care, they cut the family visiting and phone conversation time try to let me get back on anti-depression treatment. Many times they mentioned to me or I accept to take medication, otherwise I might stay Metal Institution forever.

Metal Institution also tries to make a deal with me if I start take medication, sooner they will let me go home to join with my family. With the court hearing, doctor has nothing to against me, doctor even used my baby to against me with an excuses that I was play with my baby too hard and they worry I could hurt my baby; the judge was wondering why I didn’t showing at the court? The explanation was hospital unable to bring me to the court since they believe even with two nurses as my guardians that they still unable to guarantee if I would harming the others or myself.

Furthermore, when I got a my court date to against hospital decision, and I made a request to have a look about my medical file before the court date, doctor refused with the reason of my health condition better do not look at in this time. Hospital abused my legal rights, discriminated of my marriage and Asian traditional medical treatment; and they didn’t respect about Chinese culture continually force me to take medication. They are not against me personal, they against is the different culture.

The conclusion of the felling about me from doctor that they wrote on my medical record: verbally aggressive, too active and delusional, but they never realised how they be treated me in the Metal Institution, and they even don’t allow me to use acupressure and meditation to improving my health. With the court hearing, the judges wondered why hospital and doctor never mention how harmfully of the side effects I got and why never told the court about the real reason I was in the hospital?

Since hospital want to get court order to let me back on anti-depression treatment again, I wish you would assistance me how I should protect my legal rights to stop anti-depression treatment ruining my life again, and how could I exercise my legal rights to claim the damage with the medical treatment.
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