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作者: pppp 时间: 2002-12-14 17:43
标题: 请教各位MBA的前途？
本人刚接到MBA的录取通知，现请教各位
听说MCGILL和CONCORDIA等校的MBA工作难找，不知有什么办法，回国找如何？
多谢指教

作者: zee 时间: 2002-12-14 22:49
在美加本地长远和短期来说都跟本没有希望，天生处于劣势，MBA根本就是人际沟通的专业。回国则早已烂市，海归早已供过于求，名声也被吴征杨澜们搞臭了。考虑下一步转行吧。

作者: Goreway 时间: 2002-12-14 23:11
Not really!All depends on your former experience, net wroking and your goal! Do not make a decison determined by other persons, to make sure what is your own choice, what do you like really..."Yao3 Ding4 Qing1 Song1 Bu1 Fang4", never "Ren2 Yun2 Yi1 Yun2".

作者: happycanada 时间: 2002-12-15 10:45
现在找不到工作的中国同学中，不是学电脑的，就是MBA了。为什么同一学校毕业的鬼子很容易就找到工作了呢？

回国，MBA，有没有搞错，现在，McGill College的人都冒充McGill Uni 的人，回一趟北京遇到好几个，嗨。遇到三个冒牌的，最后，你成假的了。

作者: happycanada 时间: 2002-12-15 10:49

顺便说一句，现在有同学叫MBA ：Mandarin business administration，因为大部分学生是中国来的。不知道他们是嫉妒还是嘲讽。

作者: kevinWang1970 时间: 2002-12-15 11:13
I don't know which school accepted you. But in Montreal all three MBA programs at(McGill/HEC/Concordia) are not worth pursuing. Have you guys noticed that there are more and more McGill MBA graduates become retail financial products sales people. You can find their photos and ads on Chinese newspapers. Why, they can not find a decent job!!!!. If that is you are looking for, go study MBA.
However even if you want to go back to China later, there are not many positions left. The rosy time of 海归 is long gone. Think about it my friend.

作者: gfdy 时间: 2002-12-18 17:54
你好PPPP,
我也想读MBA 呢,是哪录取你了? 愿意透露一下吗? 另外你什么时候开始申请的? 花了多长时间等到录取通知书?
谢谢

作者: xiangshan 时间: 2002-12-21 10:54
每个人都有自己的目标，每个人的需求都不尽相同，任何一个他人的观点仅能代表他自己的观点，不能帮你说明什么问题。还是自己决定吧！

作者: 我爱党我怕谁 时间: 2003-1-18 11:53
“all three MBA programs at McGill/HEC/Concordia) are not worth pursuing.”

kevinWang1970： have you been in these 3 MBA schools? Otherwise, how do you know that?

作者: 我爱党我怕谁 时间: 2003-1-18 11:54
Actually the truth is that all jobs exclude Chinese, no matter what kind of degree you have, which school you were in.

作者: pzhang8 时间: 2003-1-18 17:35
Do you know that Univ. Of quebec in Montreal has MBA program? I recommand you the executive one. Personnally. my tuitions fees ( which is lowerest in Montreal) got something back in form of KM. The most fascinating is financing and buisness strategy. Very useful.

作者: maple2 时间: 2003-1-19 19:37
Pzhang8, 请教：
QUEBEC MONTREAL 大学的MBA要多少GMAT？怎样
申请？

作者: maple2 时间: 2003-1-19 19:44
Pzhang8, 请教：
QUEBEC MONTREAL 大学的MBA要多少GMAT？怎样
申请？

作者: Money Laundry 时间: 2003-1-20 13:22
To kevinWang1970:

Hey,What's wrong with retail people! Don't you say it's not a decent job! go congratulate on

For God sake, did you talk with all the Chinese MBAs graduated from those previously mentioned Canadian universities? if you failed to do so, statistically speaking, you were telling a lie.

Bad boy, wake up, you gotta believe, aside from losers, there are some Chinese MBAs on the planet earth, who are more than capable of finding a decent MBA job, even in Canada.

Be happy.

作者: kevinWang1970 时间: 2003-1-21 20:31
Ok, since there is some confusion here needed to clear up, I would spend a little of time to give you guys a lecture.

First of all, do you need an MBA degree to sell insurance to the Chinese immigrants? No, the knowledge needed for this type of job is nominal. A few weeks of company in-house training should be suffice. Does an MBA degree provide value-added service? No, IF they really know the financial markets, they will have jobs either in Banks or investment firms, not doing these shitty jobs.
So by doing retail sales jobs, they are degrading themselves to level of some old immigrants, like Ms. Yang Yi Qu etc. You can find their photos in all major Chinese newspapers. So all I can suggest for these retail sales is not to put McGill MBA graduate as a tag on ads in the newspaper. It is an insult to McGill MAB program.

To answer your 2nd question: This year Financial Times business school ranking is just out, and McGill ranks No 36. The other two (Concordia, HEC) could not make into top 100. To be fair, after meeting a few students from all three schools, I find out these MBA students are all quite ambitious and smart. But do they have bright future after completing their degrees? One and only criteria here is whether they can find decent jobs. As far as I know, NONE of HEC English MBA graduates have found A job! Concordia and McGill may be a little bit better. But still many are jobless. As for those who are lucky enough to have jobs, how many of them are real decent MBA jobs??? However, for some people if they really want to go back to China later and if they have either good connections or good experience before coming to Canada, there are still chances in China. One of my friends, he got his MBA from Concordia, and now he has a 350,000RMB job in Beijing. Having said that, I am not saying these Chinese MBAs are not smart enough to find jobs, but only because it’s not their fortes to compete with natives in these fields. Please tell me which company will hire a Chinese speaking with strong Accent to manage local employees?? Since as far as I know, it is really a torture to listen to Chinese Professors’ lecture. So you think the company will let a Chinese MBA represent company to give presentations in front of the customers or negotiate deals with its client? Wake up!

作者: asdfdsa 时间: 2003-1-21 21:02
kevinWang1970
excellent lecture, you tell everyone the key problem, chinese is only suit to doing those which the local people can not do or do not like to do, that is all.

作者: Iverson 时间: 2003-1-21 23:21
去年去一家公司面试了后，说是卖保险的，做了个加拿大傻子才会觉得有挑战的所谓性格测试，老板说我成绩好，很合适，要我马上开始培训上班，我看看要卖这个东西算了，后来就没去，那个公司的魁瓜每周都给我打电话，我开始还说要考虑考虑，后来烦了就告诉他们我现在自己开店了。到这条贴子里一看，吓一跳，敢情MBA兄弟们在那里，看来我太自大了，咳！

作者: Money Laundry 时间: 2003-1-22 13:01
kevinWang1970:

Your comments make total sense (your opinion on sales people not pegging themselves with an MBA, in particular). just wanna give you a headsup on stuff.

In response to your question "

lease tell me which company will hire a Chinese speaking with strong Accent to manage local employees?? "..well. yes, maybe...Nevertheless, this has been a pain in the ass for long...What is an MBA graduate up to?

Sorry, the reality is...(well, it seems like we love to dwell on this subject)..just give you guys a dose of reality: no one has ever made MBA a title or a position to manage people, so stop worring about managing local people, OK? that being said, what is a decent MBA job? Management Consulting? sure, though that has become a dirty phrase for quite a period of time. Investment Banking? absolutely! who could possibly be more competent and suitalbe than an gold-plated MBA..balur balur balur...Portfolio Management/Investment management? possible, but not restrict to, especially in Quebec..it does no pay WELL! Finally, Marketing? Good match! ..sorry, end of the story. Don't blame poor MBAs for failing to find a job in accounting, corporate or become a store manager!..well, we could debate on that or as somebody says, when wind blows, even turkey flies!

So, at the end of the day, do we have any exceptional Chinese MBAs to be highly regard as a "role model" or a not-a-loser, among others?????
---a few in Toronto, as far as I am aware of, NO INVESTMENT BANKERS in Canada (and I'll raise anybody dare to challenge me on that)! tons of junior guys in portfolio management/investment management...several ivey and UOFT guys in consulting, oh, even HEC yields some quant guys/*****s at Quebec pension fund (work their ass off, and get paid just like live on EI)..Concordia, never heard of any dudes from there...McGill...I actually know a Taiwanese working as a portfolio manager, I don't know if it counts.

again, what's wrong with retail guys???

作者: pzhang8 时间: 2003-1-22 13:09
To Maple2
Sorry to be late in answser. In fact UQAM donsn't require any TOFEL or GMAT score, except your french level and working experience. Your will be requested to send them all your previous transcripts and 2 employer's letter. I tell you, it's no hard, but french blabla is the routine.
If anyone need more info, send me a-amil
pzhang8@yahoo.com.
Good luck

作者: kevinWang1970 时间: 2003-1-22 17:29
Your points are well taken. I am totally in the agreement with your opinion, especially we are on the same page about these retail guys. We may raise the question to the Dean of B-school at McGill that whether his goal or vision is to produce MBAs to become retail sales men?

With respect to your input about managing people, I agree that NO degree is able to put you on the position to a manager. We are talking about leadership, role model, unfortunately all these are based on the assumption that you are effective speakers. So maybe a Chinese can be a store manager to manager few low-end local guys. But he/she will never get the chance to speak before the top management in a boardroom unless the topic is dealt with China issues.

Your input about the real decent MBA jobs are more or less correct. And I do believe that few Chinese are doing consulting/banking/portfolio management work. The question is what the percentage of the graduates can be lucky enough to get these jobs? I will say around 20% max. Say McGill usually enrolls around 25 Chinese per year. So there will be maximum 5 people ending up with decent jobs. So how about the rest? A good question! Do you still want to be an MBA?

作者: nortel8 时间: 2003-1-22 17:52
In stead of becoming an manager, there are a lot of chance in biotech who hire MBA to develop business model. The pay is on the top.

作者: Money Laundry 时间: 2003-1-22 18:05
Well, the percentage turns out to be even lower than your estimate. Nevertheless, challenging a Canadian MBA degree is one thing, disparaging is quite another. Retail guys gotta feed themselves. As long as they stay clean and don't bite, they should not be seen as bastards.

作者: Money Laundry 时间: 2003-1-22 18:13
Notel8888888:

I've seen numerous Chinese people working at Labs/research/scientist..in BD, very very few. The pay is OK.

作者: kevinWang1970 时间: 2003-1-22 20:37
To Notel 8,

Who told you that the biotech companies need MBA graduates? What kind of business model you are talking about? financial model? marketing model? drug development model? I think you have no clue of what you are saying. Using your brain before speaking out! And please don’t mislead these poor lab scientists since they may apply MBA program after seeing your post.

作者: RO 时间: 2003-1-23 22:40
Hi,Kevinwang1970,
Given your extensive knowledge about MBA and MBA program, I bet that you yourself are an MBA graduate. I don't understand why you hate MBA so much. What's wrong with those MBAs working in the retail field of financial products? They worth much more repect than a guy like you who have nothing to do but fool around here all day long.

作者: mmnn 时间: 2003-1-28 18:17
To be realistic, I think KevinWang1970's post is
right. Spend more time on something we are good at! To those brilliant people whoes photoes
appear on the newspaper, I wish you succeed,
make more money, not only make money from Chinese,
but also from Local people!!!

作者: delamontagne 时间: 2003-1-28 18:51
我刚收到MCGILL和ＣＯＮＣＯＲＤＩＡ的ＭＢＡ的ＯＦＦＥＲ，还有ＭＣＧＩＬＬ的ＭＬＩＳ的ＯＦＦＥＲ，我现在真不知道哪一个最好，以前担心没有书读，现在又。。。。，请朋友们给点意见吧！

作者: tequila 时间: 2003-1-28 19:09
even you have mba, but without working experience (professional experience) there's not many place will hire you with a decent salary.

My suggestion, if you have a job and company pay for the MBA then go for it (make sure it's a top 10 program) otherwise, forget it.

作者: delamontagne 时间: 2003-1-28 19:56
Could you tell me , which MBA is the best.I have received the offers of McGill and Concordia,I am also applying HEC intensive MBA in English, but I have not gotten any news from HEC Montreal.it is so hard for me to choose the best one.

作者: maple2 时间: 2003-2-6 02:12
You have already received offer for Fall 2003? When did you send your application? I want to apply, but haven't anticipant GMAT. As Concordia web said the deadline should be June 1st, so you think it is better to send offer earlier? How about if I have to send by the end of March? Do I have any problem? Thanks your help!

作者: Jean1976 时间: 2003-2-7 00:27
The value of MBA program lies in what you want, and could learn from it. It's a matter of education, I think. You'll still be yourself, before and after that education.

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