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发表于 2005-5-10 13:35 | 只看该作者 回帖奖励 |倒序浏览 |阅读模式
不管是传说中的传销,直销还是多层次直销...(注:本质上从来就不是直销)  请看看下面的调查报告:

http://www.mlm-thetruth.com/tax_study.htm

传说中总有那么多人(上线,或一个普通的人靠这个那个赚了多少钱...)但实际上是赚了吗? 上面的调查是美国一个研究机构根据对传销人士的报税结果得出的结论...批露的一些事实....绝大多数人根本不赚钱,传销公司推销的是"赚钱机会"远远超过产品本身...

请从来不要相信传销公司或人员给你们的"数据"...

这个贴的目的是因为一些朋友闲来想做生意赚点钱, 这是无可厚非的...但是却陷入传销的迷幻之中,浪费宝贵时间和金钱...如果把同样的时间和金钱投资到找一份普通的工作或一个传统的生意...回报应该多得多...
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 楼主| 发表于 2005-5-10 15:15 | 只看该作者
报告中的第一部分转载:
  
  
    Who Profits from Multi-Level Marketing*? Preparers of Utah Tax Returns Have the Answer.


  1. Summary of what was learned from these studies

Are MLM’s* (multi-level marketing or network marketing companies) legitimate? Or are they thinly disguised pyramid schemes that enrich a few at the top of a pyramid – at the expense of a multitude of unwitting downline victims? If the latter, then consumers, the press, consumer protection agencies, and investors (for publicly traded MLM companies) have been duped into accepting it as legal and ethical, when in fact it is not.


   Who, if anyone, is making money in Amway/Quixtar, Nu Skin, Usana, and a myriad of other MLM programs? Until recently, there were few solid numbers to back up claims, pro or con. Previous attempts to get MLM companies to release valid data have been met with avoidance<sup>1</sup>, and data they have provided is often misleading<sup>2</sup>. But there is one group of experts that knows who is actually reporting profits—CPA’s and other preparers of tax returns.

   We performed a telephone survey of over 200 tax preparers in Idaho and Utah, a hotbed of MLM activity. We also did a randomized survey of households in Utah County, which has the highest concentration of MLM companies in the country. The findings led to the following conclusions:

   1. Direct sales to consumers by MLM "distributors" (in quotes because they are primarily buyers, not distributors**) are extremely rare, even in Utah County. Almost all MLM’s are not direct sales companies, in spite of what they claim. Instead, most sales are to recruits who are led to believe that the MLM is a "business opportunity" and that aggressive recruiting and ongoing purchases of products will qualify them for ascending levels of commission payouts.

   2. Most recruiting for Utah MLM’s is done outside Utah, presumably because de facto market saturation in Utah has stiffened resistance to buying into the MLM’s. So MLM promoters go to other states, and then from one foreign country to another to keep the scheme going. Or they sometimes start new product divisions to cycle the pyramid anew. MLM’s like Nu Skin and Usana become, in effect, Ponzi schemes, by recruiting new investors in their schemes to pay off earlier investors. About 99.9% lose money.

   3. Commissions paid by the company to "distributors" are not enough to cover their expenses, so almost all lose money, with the rare exception of those at the top of a hierarchy of "distributors." We’ll call them"TOPP’s"<sup> </sup>for "top of the pyramid<sup> </sup>promoters." This occurs because MLM compensation plans leverage the efforts and investments of recruits so that large commission checks go only to TOPP’s. However, based on extensive analysis of available public documents, about 99.9% of total participants (those beneath the TOPP’s in the overall pyramid of participants) lose money. A sizable number of the few TOPP’s who do profit live in Utah County.

   4. In counties where no MLM’s are based and where few upscale residences are located, no participants in MLM programs reported significant profits over any significant period of time to preparers of tax returns. Many of these preparers have noticed this and view MLM’s as scams – because in a legitimate business at least a reasonable percentage who work in the business would show a profit.

   5. Prospects are led to believe that they can earn a substantial full or part-time income and gain "time freedom" by investing in the program in the form of ongoing product purchases. The total of these purchases constitute disguised or laundered investments in a product-based pyramid scheme.

   6. The combination of nutritional supplements with MLM as the vehicle for marketing them creates a double whammy of opportunities to defraud consumers. Consumers (at least in Utah) are not well protected by law enforcement against "recruiting MLM’s" and are further left vulnerable to exploitation in the sale of nutritional supplements by liberalization of legislation affecting such products.

   7. The MLM corporations which are publicly held are misrepresenting their core business when they claim to be selling direct to consumers, when in fact they are selling primarily to "distributors" – on false pretenses of being a profitable "business opportunity."
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 楼主| 发表于 2005-5-10 15:20 | 只看该作者
Table 1: MLM profits reported on tax returns in four Utah counties

       <table border="1" bordercolor="#000000" cellpadding="7" cellspacing="1" width="723"> <tbody><tr>     <td bgcolor="#ffffff" valign="top" width="202">Location and group of tax preparers

</td>     <td bgcolor="#ffffff" valign="top" width="71">No. of tax pre-parers

</td>     <td bgcolor="#ffffff" valign="top" width="70">Aggregate total tax returns in 2002

</td>     <td bgcolor="#ffffff" valign="top" width="107">Approx. no. of clients in MLM in 2002 (@ 6%) <sup>5</sup>

</td>     <td bgcolor="#ffffff" valign="top" width="104">No. of tax returns which showed a profit in MLM

</td>     <td bgcolor="#ffffff" valign="top" width="57">Rate of success (@ 6 %)

     </td>   </tr>   <tr>     <td bgcolor="#ffffff" valign="top" width="202">Counties with NO MLM HEAD-QUARTERS (all tax preparers)

</td>     <td bgcolor="#ffffff" valign="top" width="71"> </td>     <td bgcolor="#ffffff" valign="top" width="70"> </td>     <td bgcolor="#ffffff" valign="top" width="107"> </td>     <td bgcolor="#ffffff" valign="top" width="104"> </td>     <td bgcolor="#ffffff" valign="top" width="57"> </td>   </tr>   <tr>     <td bgcolor="#ffffff" valign="top" width="202">Tooele County (western Utah)

</td>     <td bgcolor="#ffffff" valign="top" width="71">      
16

</td>     <td bgcolor="#ffffff" valign="top" width="70">      
7,500

</td>     <td bgcolor="#ffffff" valign="top" width="107">      
450

</td>     <td bgcolor="#ffffff" valign="top" width="104">      
0

</td>     <td bgcolor="#ffffff" valign="top" width="57">      
0.00

</td>   </tr>   <tr>     <td bgcolor="#ffffff" valign="top" width="202">Uintah County (eastern Utah)

       </td>     <td bgcolor="#ffffff" valign="top" width="71">      
13

</td>     <td bgcolor="#ffffff" valign="top" width="70">      
5,100

</td>     <td bgcolor="#ffffff" valign="top" width="107">      
306

</td>     <td bgcolor="#ffffff" valign="top" width="104">      
0

</td>     <td bgcolor="#ffffff" valign="top" width="57">      
0.00

</td>   </tr>   <tr>     <td bgcolor="#ffffff" valign="top" width="202">Grand County (southeast Utah)

</td>     <td bgcolor="#ffffff" valign="top" width="71">      
4

</td>     <td bgcolor="#ffffff" valign="top" width="70">      
1,800

</td>     <td bgcolor="#ffffff" valign="top" width="107">      
108

</td>     <td bgcolor="#ffffff" valign="top" width="104">      
0

</td>     <td bgcolor="#ffffff" valign="top" width="57">      
0.00

</td>   </tr>   <tr>     <td bgcolor="#c0c0c0" valign="top" width="202">TOTALS – 3 counties without any MLM company headquarters

</td>     <td bgcolor="#c0c0c0" valign="top" width="71">
33

</td>     <td bgcolor="#c0c0c0" valign="top" width="70">
14,400

</td>     <td bgcolor="#c0c0c0" valign="top" width="107">
864

</td>     <td bgcolor="#c0c0c0" valign="top" width="104">
0

</td>     <td bgcolor="#c0c0c0" valign="top" width="57">
0.00

      
or 0%

</td>   </tr>   <tr>     <td bgcolor="#ffffff" valign="top" width="202">

</td>     <td bgcolor="#ffffff" valign="top" width="71"> </td>     <td bgcolor="#ffffff" valign="top" width="70"> </td>     <td bgcolor="#ffffff" valign="top" width="107"> </td>     <td bgcolor="#ffffff" valign="top" width="104"> </td>     <td bgcolor="#ffffff" valign="top" width="57"> </td>   </tr>   <tr>     <td bgcolor="#ffffff" valign="top" width="202">UTAH COUNTY – county with highest concentration of MLM companies in       the country

</td>     <td bgcolor="#ffffff" valign="top" width="71"> </td>     <td bgcolor="#ffffff" valign="top" width="70"> </td>     <td bgcolor="#ffffff" valign="top" width="107"> </td>     <td bgcolor="#ffffff" valign="top" width="104"> </td>     <td bgcolor="#ffffff" valign="top" width="57"> </td>   </tr>   <tr>     <td bgcolor="#c0c0c0" valign="top" width="202">Reported by Utah County CPA’s with       whom most TOPP’s<sup>6</sup> inUtah County file       their taxes

     </td>     <td bgcolor="#c0c0c0" valign="top" width="71">
33

</td>     <td bgcolor="#c0c0c0" valign="top" width="70">
15,200

</td>     <td bgcolor="#c0c0c0" valign="top" width="107">
912

</td>     <td bgcolor="#c0c0c0" valign="top" width="104">
38

</td>     <td bgcolor="#c0c0c0" valign="top" width="57">
0.0417

      
or 4%

</td>   </tr>   <tr>     <td bgcolor="#ffffff" height="42" valign="top" width="202">Reported by (non-CPA)tax

       preparers in Utah County

       </td>     <td bgcolor="#ffffff" height="42" valign="top" width="71">      
33

</td>     <td bgcolor="#ffffff" height="42" valign="top" width="70">      
19,300

</td>     <td bgcolor="#ffffff" height="42" valign="top" width="107">      
1,158

</td>     <td bgcolor="#ffffff" height="42" valign="top" width="104">      
5

</td>     <td bgcolor="#ffffff" height="42" valign="top" width="57">      
0.0043

      
or 0.4%

</td>   </tr>   <tr>     <td bgcolor="#ffffff" valign="top" width="202">TOTAL – Utah County (includes both CPA’s and non-CPA’s)

</td>     <td bgcolor="#ffffff" valign="top" width="71">
66

</td>     <td bgcolor="#ffffff" valign="top" width="70">
34,500

</td>     <td bgcolor="#ffffff" valign="top" width="107">
2,070

</td>     <td bgcolor="#ffffff" valign="top" width="104">
43

</td>     <td bgcolor="#ffffff" valign="top" width="57">
0.0208

      
or 2.1%

</td></tr></tbody> </table>
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发表于 2005-5-10 15:33 | 只看该作者

发表点个人意见

如果你真的在北美做过传统生意应该知道,光从保税表上是无法真是反映个人的真实收入的,很多花销都会打到成本里,而不是所有的收入(比如现金)都会在税表上反映出来。那么亏损就是正常的了。不知道在蒙城经营传统生意的人士是否从一开始就在税表上反映很多的利润呢?
Post by markelei00
不管是传说中的传销,直销还是多层次直销...(注:本质上从来就不是直销) 请看看下面的调查报告:

http://www.mlm-thetruth.com/tax_study.htm

传说中总有那么多人(上线,或一个普通的人靠这个那个赚了多少钱...)但实际上是赚了吗? 上面的调查是美国一个研究机构根据对传销人士的报税结果得出的结论...批露的一些事实....绝大多数人根本不赚钱,传销公司推销的是"赚钱机会"远远超过产品本身...

请从来不要相信传销公司或人员给你们的"数据"...

这个贴的目的是因为一些朋友闲来想做生意赚点钱, 这是无可厚非的...但是却陷入传销的迷幻之中,浪费宝贵时间和金钱...如果把同样的时间和金钱投资到找一份普通的工作或一个传统的生意...回报应该多得多...
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 楼主| 发表于 2005-5-10 15:59 | 只看该作者
报税能基本反映一个人(大多数人)的收入, 不是每个人都是避税专家... 希望你看完整个报告...就在哪个链接里面......
  
  另外, 报告中一段话很有趣:

  
  A manager of H&R Block in northern Utah, told me that during his 25 years of doing over 12,000 tax returns a year between he and his group, they could not remember a single client who had reported a significant profit over any appreciable period of time in MLM! (One reported a sizable profit one year – but went bankrupt the next.)
  
  这 段话的基本意思是:一个报税经理25年来每年处理12000份报税,但从没看到过一个多层次传销的人赚过significant的钱, 言下之意他见过赚significant钱的人,但都不是做传销的! (请不要质疑这样一个简单的逻辑,这边任何要考GMAT的人做的最简单的逻辑题目通常是这样的...)
  
  难道所有做传销的人都成了避税专家,竟然能做到所有的人都把自己的收入隐藏起来, 而做任何其它生意的人都傻乎乎的
是税盲,把自己的收入都报上去? 如果真是这样的话,传销公司应该开立专门的财经学校, 只要通过简单的开会介绍产品就能把任何一个普通人训练成在年底没有任何税可报的避税专家. 而光在美国就已经有了几百万个这样的普通人...
  

  
  
Post by nodoor
如果你真的在北美做过传统生意应该知道,光从保税表上是无法真是反映个人的真实收入的,很多花销都会打到成本里,而不是所有 的收入(比如现金)都会在税表上反映出来。那么亏损就是正常的了。不知道在蒙城经营传统生意的人士是否从一开始就在税表上反映很多的利润呢?  
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发表于 2005-5-10 16:15 | 只看该作者
其实不用对传销太在意,世界各国都有传销,也是一种合法的销售形式。窃以为,西人的做生意方式与传销有很多类似的地方,比方说,西人的生意一般都收费很高,同时又提供很多额外的服务,相比之下,华人的生意一般都尽量把价格压低,只提供必不可少的服务,其余那些可有可无的东西一概免去。比如去餐馆吃饭,一样的食物,西人的餐馆可以提供很多luxury的服务,从而收费很高,但华人的餐馆则能免则免,从而压低价格。大家都是各取所需而已。
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 楼主| 发表于 2005-5-10 16:33 | 只看该作者
你说的有道理...但要注意的是传统的生意是注重最终消费者和产品本身(包括真正的直销), 而传销(多层次直销)注重的是下线的发展.
     
     
Usana自己也承认其销售中只有15%产品是直接销售给了最终用户, 言下之意其余销售都是做为一种载体被下线买去"玩游戏".
     
     我这贴的目的是告诉一些朋友, 你可以选择做传销就象做为一个普通的职业,比方说推销员...但要清楚看到的是:你这个推销员好当不好当...??!!因为其它行业的推销员都不会象这个行业的推销员那样入不敷出....
     
     报告结果是绝大多数的传销个人都是失败的,没有利润的.(少数赚钱的上线跟庞大的下线比起来那个比例是微乎其微的)

     
     
     
Post by alrighty
其实不用对传销太在意,世界各国都有传销,也是一种合法的销售形式。窃以为,西人的做生意方式与传销有很多类似的地方, 比方说,西人的生意一般都收费很高,同时又提供很多额外的服务,相比之下,华人的生意一般都尽量把价格压低,只提供必不可少的服务,其余那些可有可无的东 西一概免去。比如去餐馆吃饭,一样的食物,西人的餐馆可以提供很多luxury的服务,从而收费很高,但华人的餐馆则能免则免,从而压低价格。大家都是各 取所需而已。
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发表于 2005-5-10 20:02 | 只看该作者
Usana不代表所有的多层次直销。任何生意形式都有好的代表和坏的典型。
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Post by nodoor
Usana不代表所有的多层次直销。任何生意形式都有好的代表和坏的典型。
Usana好的代表还是坏的典型呢?不懂直销,请教
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 楼主| 发表于 2005-5-10 22:00 | 只看该作者
USANA是传销的代表,就象NU SKIN, AMWAY, QUIXTAR等, 当然他们每个都说自己比别人好...但他们的特征都一样...而且都在犹它州那个传销温床中(报告中提到过,那地方是全世界最密集的传销中心,大的传销公 司总部都在那儿,那里的居民生活在各种各样的传销热浪中...

但由于当地的抵触情绪,传销活动已经移动到其它洲, 其它洲不行了就移到其它国家, 一个国家接着一个国家...然后他们把远东地图上的一个国家打了个圈...那个国家在很多地方符合温床的条件...那个国家就是中国...

  
  
Post by nodoor
Usana不代表所有的多层次直销。任何生意形式都有好的代表和坏的典型。
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