zzfrank

请问大家一个问题：

如果短租一套apartment，不是assignment也不是sublet，只是和lease的持有人签一个agreement，约定关于居住时期（在她的lease期内）、房租缴纳、
搬离通知等事项，这样合法不合法？如果出现纠纷（如lease持有人在agreement还没到期时不让住了）能否保证短租人的居住权利？

相信这是很多人面临的一个问题，如租住一个房间等。谢谢！

523

If this is not the sublet, what's it?

zzfrank

签agreement这样不用通知房东，而assignment和sublet都要通知房东。不知前者的保证如何？主要是问大家这种情况如何。

523

I understand: you have not notified your landlord of this agreement. It's not sublease nor assignment. It's without effect, because you cannot do this without the consent of the landlord and the law gives no other form to transfer a lease. you are at the mercy of the lessee, because the landlord even doesn't know you.

zzfrank

实际上就是短租个若干月，觉得没有必要跟房东说，本网上此类情况应该很多，包括分租房间的在内，此问题应该都存在。当然，短租几个月的时间，履行sublet手续也不是不行。而和当前的tenant签个agreement，是不是属于在民法的范围内的民事合同？与其约定在居住期，他不能在这期间再transfer也就是做assignment给别人。 谢谢523的回答，继续请教。

mtl0007

但这是一般民事合同，不是规范的房屋转租合同。出了问题上一般法庭，$7,000以下上小额法庭，70，000以下上Court of Quebec.

在不知会房东的情况下，原房客（lessee）承担一切责任，但他可以就这个agreement条款再追究短期房客的民事责任。

Post by zzfrank
请问大家一个问题：

如果短租一套apartment，不是assignment也不是sublet，只是和lease的持有人签一个agreement，约定关于居住时期（在她的lease期内）、房租缴纳、
搬离通知等事项，这样合法不合法？如果出现纠纷（如lease持有人在agreement还没到期时不让住了）能否保证短租人的居住权利？

相信这是很多人面临的一个问题，如租住一个房间等。谢谢！

523

whatever you name your agreement, it's still a lease. If the money you ask is less than 70,000 dollars, the régie du logement still has the jurisdiction, and this, according to the art. 28 al.1 par.1 de la loi sur la régie du logement. of course, in some other situations, the amount of money will be not taken into consideration.

you contract with the lessee without the consent of the lessor, you, the subleasee, will not exercise the rights and remedies of the lessee to against the lessor. the obligations and rights probably derive only from your agreement.

but i'am not sure whether the leasee can lease his lease to you. if his lease is a standard one, there must be some articles concerning the sublease or the assignment.

there are only 7 articles about the sublease and the assignment of which 5 are of ordre public, don't mention all the particular articles concerning the lease are of ordre public. how can you write an agreement without the consent of the lessor, which, is the only right left to him by the law.

I mean, this agreement is invalid, but the delayed consent of the lessor can still validate this agreement, so it becomes a sublease.

hangzhou62

"实际上就是短租个若干月，觉得没有必要跟房东说", That's just because you are not a landlord, you don't care if the landlord's right is jeopardized.

"本网上此类情况应该很多", in those cases, the lessee must get pre-authorization from the landlord.

Post by zzfrank
实际上就是短租个若干月，觉得没有必要跟房东说，本网上此类情况应该很多，包括分租房间的在内，此问题应该都存在。当然，短租几个月的时间，履行sublet手续也不是不行。而和当前的tenant签个agreement，是不是属于在民法的范围内的民事合同？与其约定在居住期，他不能在这期间再transfer也就是做assignment给别人。 谢谢523的回答，继续请教。

mtl0007

大部分的短期转租都是“the lease of a room situated in the principal residence of the lessor” and not more than two rooms are rented... 这种情况根本不属于“lease of dwellings”. art. 28 al.1 par.1 de la loi sur la régie du logement doesn't apply.

Post by 523
whatever you name your agreement, it's still a lease. If the money you ask is less than 70,000 dollars, the régie du logement still has the jurisdiction, and this, according to the art. 28 al.1 par.1 de la loi sur la régie du logement. of course, in some other situations, the amount of money will be not taken into consideration.

you contract with the lessee without the consent of the lessor, you, the subleasee, will not exercise the rights and remedies of the lessee to against the lessor. the obligations and rights probably derive only from your agreement.

but i'am not sure whether the leasee can lease his lease to you. if his lease is a standard one, there must be some articles concerning the sublease or the assignment.

there are only 7 articles about the sublease and the assignment of which 5 are of ordre public, don't mention all the particular articles concerning the lease are of ordre public. how can you write an agreement without the consent of the lessor, which, is the only right left to him by the law.

I mean, this agreement is invalid, but the delayed consent of the lessor can still validate this agreement, so it becomes a sublease.

mtl0007

就应该通过法定的sublease 的方式进行。
不遵守游戏规则，又要赢，这种想法该停止了。

Post by mtl0007
大部分的短期转租都是“the lease of a room situated in the principal residence of the lessor” and not more than two rooms are rented... 这种情况根本不属于“lease of dwellings”. art. 28 al.1 par.1 de la loi sur la régie du logement doesn't apply.