MP 自酿 (1) - 2年前写的东东

montrealpost · 发表于 2008-12-21 15:09

酒这个东东, 千人千味 + 我仍在学习. . . . . 欢迎更正内容！ (不答问题)

(Store name(s) will not be listed here, don't want my posting to get deleted by web master AGAIN.)

iMP · 发表于 2012-10-25 21:02

2007 年与我一起买 Nebbiolo 的同学还在蒙城吗? 现在还剩下最后两瓶，十一月底或之前可以给你一瓶试味。有兴趣的话请与我联系，PM 或 email。。

酿酒一年后，我第一次试味，太涩。第二次试味，是第三年，与我的期望相同=比普通的餐酒淡丁点，但带新鲜葡萄/急冻葡萄汁酿酒独有的葡萄味（wine kit 没有的）。现在那个味道已经失踪了，只是普通的淡酒一瓶。这桶酒的质量跌得有点快。
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1. MP 自酿 (0)+(2) merged into 如何酿制葡萄酒 @ http://sinoquebec.com/bbs/showthread.php?t=476692
2. MP 自酿 (1) - 2年前写的东东 @ http://sinoquebec.com/bbs/showthread.php?t=605911
3. MP 自酿 (3) - 酿红/白葡萄酒的变化玩法 @ http://sinoquebec.com/bbs/showthread.php?t=605967
4. MP 自酿 (4) - Fact & Fiction + Mics. @ http://sinoquebec.com/bbs/showthread.php?t=606965
5. MP 自酿 (5) - Resources @ http://sinoquebec.com/bbs/showthread.php?t=606966
6. Quick rough listing of suppliers @ REPLY#7 of http://sinoquebec.com/bbs/showthread.php?t=622118

要交朋友的，问问题的，那边看 - 与喜欢做葡萄/啤酒的朋友交流@ http://sinoquebec.com/bbs/showthread.php?t=545245
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MP 这"自酿"系列的帖子 - 不回答问题, 欢迎更正/补充内容！

montrealpost · 发表于 2008-12-21 17:02

That's all I have on file. Rest were mixed in with wine making groups, too much work to clean up.

I'm pretty sure I've listed the manufacturers back then, anyone has a copy?

montrealpost · 发表于 2008-12-21 16:58

http://winemakermag.com/yourfirstwine/index.html
Bottle shock" is a recognized part of a wine's bottle maturation. This is the indeterminate period of time immediately following bottling when a wine doesn't seem to show many (or any) of its charms. The act of bottling has stunned the wine; indeed, many wine writers and other aficionados refer to this as a "dumb phase." This is the main reason why many recipes usually recommend that you first sample the bottled wine no sooner than one month after bottling.

http://grapevinecottage.com/Pages/AR_Bottle%20Shock.html
BOTTLE SICKNESS: A temporary condition characterized by muted or disjointed fruit flavors. It often occurs immediately after bottling or when wines $usually fragile wines$ are shaken in travel. Also called bottle shock. A few days of rest is the cure.

http://www.wineroad.com/wine101/glossary.asp
Bottle Sickness: Also known as bottle shock. A temporary condition, often caused when wine is bottled or when bottles or shaken or shipped, that interferes with a wine’s flavors. It is “cured” with a few days of rest if shaken or shipped, or within a few weeks after bottling.

Book on Wine Chemistry @ http://www.amazon.com/gp/product ... glance&n=283155

montrealpost · 发表于 2008-12-21 16:55

Don't think any of the links below work now, search for them yourselves.

1) 私人酿酒坊做的酒 . . . 是用纯的葡萄汁做的 @ http://web1.wenxuecity.com/BBSVi ... ing&MsgID=98777

2) 红葡萄酒和白葡萄酒 @ http://web1.wenxuecity.com/BBSVi ... ng&MsgID=111463

3) 教你做个浪漫的小资男人：法国葡萄酒讲座(组图) @ http://web1.wenxuecity.com/BBSVi ... ng&MsgID=271267

4) 葡萄酒大全(ZT) @ http://web1.wenxuecity.com/BBSVi ... ng&MsgID=366331

5) 澳洲葡萄酒 @ http://web1.wenxuecity.com/BBSVi ... ng&MsgID=278275

6) 法国葡萄酒知识 @ http://web1.wenxuecity.com/BBSVi ... ng&MsgID=339609

7) 了解法国葡萄酒 @ http://web1.wenxuecity.com/BBSVi ... ing&MsgID=21115

montrealpost · 发表于 2008-12-21 16:52

* 红葡萄酒 (Red Wine)

赤霞珠 Cabernet Sauvignon 种植最为广泛的红葡萄品种。深紫色，高单宁。果味(李子，黑莓)，树及皮草味。适合长期储藏以使口感变得柔顺。年青时象尴尬，不起眼的小伙子，年久的酒象满腹锦纶的学者。

美乐 Merlot 深红色，低单宁，简单直接，由於易被大众接受，又称新手酒。丝绸般的质感,入口圆润。果味(李子)。也常与其他葡萄勾兑以降低刺激，增加圆润。

黑品乐 Pinot Noir 颜色较浅，低单宁，酒体轻。结构复杂，气质优雅。有樱桃，草莓的果香，又有湿土，雪笳，蘑菇和巧克力的味道。该种葡萄较难种植，也不易酿初好葡萄酒，十分不稳定。但有淑女风范。

西拉 Syrah 深色，高单宁，酒体重。有紫罗兰，巧克力，烟草，咖啡等香气。性格粗糙，象葡萄酒中的牛仔，豪迈粗犷。

佳美 Gamay 紫色，单宁很低，酸度较高。有浓重的樱桃，草莓，覆盆子的香气,不能贮藏。主要产于法国。其鲜亮活泼的性格象未涉世事的小姑娘。

内比奥罗 Nebbiolo 高酸度，重单宁。有丁香花，玫瑰，烟草，皮革的气息。大结构，教刺激。因而许窖藏多年而品尝。象酒中泰森，个性极强。

桑骄维赛 Sangiovese 单宁好，教接近黑品乐。具有茶，泥土的芳香，是意大利最为著名的葡萄。极象酒中的少妇，成熟而不失妩媚。

增芳德 Zinfindel 加里佛尼亚独有，红宝石色，也有白色。酒体重，单宁高，酒精度高。微度樱桃，覆盆子香气。开放，热烈，来自亚热带海边的风情。

* 白葡萄酒 (White Wine)

霞多丽 Chardonney 种植最为广泛的白葡萄品种。草黄色，微绿。有奶酪，青苹果，柠檬的香气。入口滑腻，后味长，酒体满。有时会觉得口味呆滞，无个性。象美丽的少女，自信，高傲，易讨人喜欢，但易受伤害。绝对贵族风范。

白诗南 Chenin Blanc 极适合做冰酒的葡萄。有蜂蜜，杏，桃，苹果等果味。会有不同程度的甜度。象一只丑小鸭，需要有足够的耐心，细细品味。

雷司令 Riesling 酸度高，酒精低，酒体轻。有桃，杏，西瓜的清香，又有特殊的矿物质特性，象山泉抚摸石头的感觉，高贵，清爽。是酒中的谦谦君子。

常相思 Sauvignon Blanc 酸度高，刺激感强，有干草，草坪，烟，绿茶等味道。是霞多丽的对立面，不易让人接受。但独特的个性也使人一旦爱上，便难以忘怀。正如电影<真实的谎言>中身材极好，有点男性面孔的女主人公JAMIE LEE CURTIS。

赛美蓉 Semillon 柠檬味,常与其他葡萄混合酿造，是常相思的老搭档。

琼瑶浆 Gewurzraminer 德国名字，味道特别。感觉有些“辣”，适合搭配口味较重的菜肴，才不失其骑士风范。

白品乐 Pinot Blanc 较少有高品质精品。但口感平淡，无个性，易入口，因而也易被接受。感觉象流行乐坛的歌手，简单，大众。

* 冰酒 (Ice Wine)

采用入冬后受冻后才采摘的葡萄酿制。因为葡萄果农要经受更长的天气，自然灾害，鸟，虫的侵害才能采摘。加上加拿大法律很严，冰葡萄酒需在零下8度，并在政府官员的监督下才能采摘。所以成本高，冰酒的价格也比普通葡萄酒贵一倍以上。该类酒较受亚洲人喜爱，口味腻甜。在较低温度饮用，并配以甜点，才不会破坏它的风采。

[Above info. provided by Wine Kitz on its products, similar but not same for other brand(s)] from http://web1.wenxuecity.com/BBSVi ... p;MsgID=105406(link no longer valid)

montrealpost · 发表于 2008-12-21 16:48

*** BOP in Ottawa are cheaper, if u go to Ottawa sometimes, have your wine made there ***
*** If u have a cool basement, wine from concentrate good for 2+years, wine from juice good for 3+++ years ***

3 different methods to find a BOP or wine store:

A. "Vin & biere - Production Equipement & Fournitures" in Yellow Page, more listed in French section.

B. >30 kit manufacturers, find them on the web then look for suppliers on thier website.

C. We believe there are a total of ~62 BOP in Quebec, roughly ~42 belongs to the association @ http://www.acvq.org/listemembre.html.%20(Advice: don't go to those that do not belong to the association)

*Ottawa - Many stores BOP~$25+(labour cost)/batch, kits + must + grape skins, please look for them yourselves.

In Montreal, mostly $3.X-$4.x/bottle, 30瓶/batch(=桶), >10 stores(零售商not 酒厂), >100 varieties. 冰酒相似价格.

montrealpost · 发表于 2008-12-21 16:45

Wine Label Alternatives:
1. Die cut - Preprinted, professional looking labels, big choices @ wine store. ~$3/30.
2. Custom - Semi finish or blank label pkg, bring your picture or do your design, by wine store/@home,~$6-$10
3. Software for printing label @ home - available @ wine store/internet. Not sure, ~$20-50 may be.
4. Home make - WORD, Photoshop, Avery Label software with Avery Label paper or plain paper with glue stick from Dollar Store. e.g. your family photo or create your "x'max wine labels". Sample below:

montrealpost · 发表于 2008-12-21 16:35

A) Video for 自酿葡萄酒/冰酒/啤酒:
http://www.rjspagnols.com/resource/wine_making.asp (believe all 3 videos are same, similar for all companies)

B) Info on 自灌葡萄酒/冰酒/啤酒:
Most BOP has info on their web site, BOP in Ontario has much longer history and stores are better equipped.
Sample wine BOP web: http://www.carafe.ca/make_a_batch.html
Sample beer BOP web: http://www.barleyandgrapes.com/beer.htm
* Most BOP in Montreal do not provide automatic bottle washer. Clean+disinfect your bottles GOOD at home. *

C) Wine Kit for fun or gift (Do not buy this if u intend to make wine on regular basis):
Look for them yourselves on the web, at least 3 companies that offers equipments and kits for 11.5L red/white wine

D) Beer Kit for fun or gift (Do not buy this if u intend to make beer on regular basis):
http://www.mrbeer.com (this one doesn't ship to Canada, look for other companies on web)

E) Advice on wine making equipment:
1. Upgrade to glass carboy right away, try not to use plastic (except "Better Bottle")
2. When buy 23L glass carboy, buy "red/orange handle" right away. ($6-$10)
3. *ONLY* buy 23 litre carboy or half batch size of 11.5L *ONLY*. DON'T BUY 20L, DON'T BUY funny Italian ones.

F) Advice on wine kits/juices
1. Juices are frozen/refrigerated. Instead of sterile juice, check out kits. Size doesn't matter here!
2. Juice vs Kit - Kits more reliable. Juice generally lighter/$ + taste fluctuate (some company=Russian Roulette)
3. $30 to $150/bucket/kit for 20L or 23L of wine. Quality = U GET WHAT U PAY FOR!
4. 3 or 4 product lines @~$30/kits(23L). Get BOP to do these if u want to try, don't do these as your 1st wine.

* Most people @ wine stores are friendly, hard working people with a passion for wine making. Please be nice! *

montrealpost · 发表于 2008-12-21 16:33

TIPS 1: Ice Wine/Port/Sherry comes in 11.5L(half-batch size). Make 2 batches(60瓶) SAME TIME, pay 1 batch BOP. (some wine stores refuse this)

TIPS 2: Monthly specials(=discount) on selected kit(s), most places offer 10% or volumn discount when u buy 4 or more kits. Ice/Port/Sherry are special kits, may not get any discount.

TIPS 3: 7.5% QST (tax) on all Wine Kits in Quebec, lower in Ontario. (Anyone has details, please share info)

TIPS 4: BOP per batch service charge + taxes much lower in Ottawa, ~$20+ in Ottawa vs. ~$35+ in Montreal.