谷歌放弃与相关部门协商 2月底前退出中国

saaqvolvo · 发表于 2010-1-13 18:16

A new approach to China

1/12/2010 03:00:00 PM
Like many other well-known organizations, we face cyber attacks of varying degrees on a regular basis. In mid-December, we detected a highly sophisticated and targeted attack on our corporate infrastructure originating from China that resulted in the theft of intellectual property from Google. However, it soon became clear that what at first appeared to be solely a security incident--albeit a significant one--was something quite different.

First, this attack was not just on Google. As part of our investigation we have discovered that at least twenty other large companies from a wide range of businesses--including the Internet, finance, technology, media and chemical sectors--have been similarly targeted. We are currently in the process of notifying those companies, and we are also working with the relevant U.S. authorities.

Second, we have evidence to suggest that a primary goal of the attackers was accessing the Gmail accounts of Chinese human rights activists. Based on our investigation to date we believe their attack did not achieve that objective. Only two Gmail accounts appear to have been accessed, and that activity was limited to account information (such as the date the account was created) and subject line, rather than the content of emails themselves.

Third, as part of this investigation but independent of the attack on Google, we have discovered that the accounts of dozens of U.S.-, China- and Europe-based Gmail users who are advocates of human rights in China appear to have been routinely accessed by third parties. These accounts have not been accessed through any security breach at Google, but most likely via phishing scams or malware placed on the users' computers.

We have already used information gained from this attack to make infrastructure and architectural improvements that enhance security for Google and for our users. In terms of individual users, we would advise people to deploy reputable anti-virus and anti-spyware programs on their computers, to install patches for their operating systems and to update their web browsers. Always be cautious when clicking on links appearing in instant messages and emails, or when asked to share personal information like passwords online. You can read more here about our cyber-security recommendations. People wanting to learn more about these kinds of attacks can read this report (PDF) by the U.S.-China Economic and Security Review Commission, as well as a related analysis (PDF) prepared for the Commission, Nart Villeneuve's blog and this presentation on the GhostNet spying incident.

We have taken the unusual step of sharing information about these attacks with a broad audience not just because of the security and human rights implications of what we have unearthed, but also because this information goes to the heart of a much bigger global debate about freedom of speech. In the last two decades, China's economic reform programs and its citizens' entrepreneurial flair have lifted hundreds of millions of Chinese people out of poverty. Indeed, this great nation is at the heart of much economic progress and development in the world today.

We launched Google.cn in January 2006 in the belief that the benefits of increased access to information for people in China and a more open Internet outweighed our discomfort in agreeing to censor some results. At the time we made clear that "we will carefully monitor conditions in China, including new laws and other restrictions on our services. If we determine that we are unable to achieve the objectives outlined we will not hesitate to reconsider our approach to China."

These attacks and the surveillance they have uncovered--combined with the attempts over the past year to further limit free speech on the web--have led us to conclude that we should review the feasibility of our business operations in China. We have decided we are no longer willing to continue censoring our results on Google.cn, and so over the next few weeks we will be discussing with the Chinese government the basis on which we could operate an unfiltered search engine within the law, if at all. We recognize that this may well mean having to shut down Google.cn, and potentially our offices in China.

The decision to review our business operations in China has been incredibly hard, and we know that it will have potentially far-reaching consequences. We want to make clear that this move was driven by our executives in the United States, without the knowledge or involvement of our employees in China who have worked incredibly hard to make Google.cn the success it is today. We are committed to working responsibly to resolve the very difficult issues raised.

Update: Added a link to another referenced report in paragraph 5.

Posted by David Drummond, SVP, Corporate Development and Chief Legal Officer

爱国者导弹 · 发表于 2010-1-26 15:24

有个小孩的头很象砖头,同学们都笑话他!他回去问妈妈:"我的头象砖头吗?" 妈妈说你去水井旁边照一下就知道了!于是小孩就来到水井旁边往里伸头照,就听见下面有人在喊:"上面的人不要扔砖头啊!"

闲钱想投资 · 发表于 2010-1-26 14:37

关于xiaodoudou同学所犯错误的历史认识，或关于xiaodoudou没有犯错误的历史，已经超越人民X部。
这是一个严肃不可以讨论的问题。
立此。

Post by xiaodoudou;2479019
前两点收到，第三点大不以为然！我不仅不会你所谓的彻底，而且我就根本没有什么错！！！:confused: 如果介绍不同观点都算错的话，怪不得我们说中国人不能容忍不同意见，不懂民主，不能博采众意！

你的第三点意见，真是好笑！你说我无知（我介绍的是我朋友的观点哦！！！我不会真的无知到不懂装懂发表什么意见的！:eek!:），说我朋友无知，我可以容忍，但是，那是你单方面的看法！对你，和对别人一样，我保持一贯的尊敬！我是很客气地幽默你对我错位的评论，你还真当一回事呢:rolleyes:！其实，我的朋友可以有他的意见，这跟无知有知有何关系？要听更多的意见，特别是不同的意见，最好不要Judge什么无知，那会达不到你要博取众意的目的，你会Turn Poeple Off！:wink:）

顺便一提：我的这个朋友为Montreal的律师协会编程，他的意见应该是有一定意义的吧。没有也耐他耐我何球！

希望你明白我的意思。

xiaodoudou · 发表于 2010-1-25 10:42

Post by 闲钱想投资;2478894
1、对于XianRen的软件需求，从技术上讲是可以实现的
2、对于xiaodoudou同学的朋友提出的技术瓶颈，是可能有技术方法突破的
3、关于xiaodoudou同学知错能改的态度，是值得XX的，虽然有点不彻底

另外，百度会不会使用google的搜索结果，一如前所诉，不予讨论

前两点收到，第三点大不以为然！我不仅不会你所谓的彻底，而且我就根本没有什么错！！！:confused: 如果介绍不同观点都算错的话，怪不得我们说中国人不能容忍不同意见，不懂民主，不能博采众意！

你的第三点意见，真是好笑！

你说我无知（我介绍的是我朋友的观点哦！！！我不会真的无知到不懂装懂发表什么意见的！:eek!:），说我朋友无知，我可以容忍，但是，那是你单方面的看法！对你，和对别人一样，我保持一贯的尊敬！我是很客气地幽默你对我错位的评论，你还真当一回事呢:rolleyes:！其实，我的朋友可以有他的意见，这跟无知有知有何关系？要听更多的意见，特别是不同的意见，最好不要Judge什么无知，那会达不到你要博取众意的目的，你会Turn Poeple Off！:wink:）

顺便一提：我的这个朋友为Montreal的律师协会编程，他的意见应该是有一定意义的吧。没有也耐他耐我何球！

希望你明白我的意思。

闲钱想投资 · 发表于 2010-1-25 00:49

1、对于XianRen的软件需求，从技术上讲是可以实现的
2、对于xiaodoudou同学的朋友提出的技术瓶颈，是可能有技术方法突破的
3、关于xiaodoudou同学知错能改的态度，是值得XX的，虽然有点不彻底

另外，百度会不会使用google的搜索结果，一如前所诉，不予讨论

Post by xiaodoudou;2478774
大家的意见我都在看，我没有否认XianRen的说法，只是觉得他的意见有意思，才咨询朋友。朋友和他有不同的意见，很有意思。已经在前面表述。两人的意见可能都有理，可能都没理，可能一个有一个没有，正因为我对此一无所知（说我无知完全正确！谢谢你XX轻捶！）所以提出进一步讨论。

我既然无知，只有听两边的意见，作出：“哦，是这样吗？”的反映，然后继续听。既然无知，也就更不可能劝我的朋友开阔视野，那会是班门弄斧，天大的笑话，我更没有那个厚颜作出这样的言行。我尊敬Xianren的意见，也尊敬我朋友的意见。谁对谁错不重要，重要的是他们两人的意见，我作为不同意见，一同收藏！:p 不知是怎样在误导人，后患又在哪里？我相信，在此的读者，除了我对网络操作无知外，其余的人怕都不会像我，都会多少有判断力，不会被我这个完全无知的人轻松就误导的，所以也不会有你那么言重！什么后患无穷啊？如果我一个无知的人能做到你说的，那我是受宠了。

mtlchina2006 · 发表于 2010-1-24 23:40

首先百度不会使用google的搜索结果，也不可能。

其次google指责中国政府，只是怀疑，没有确证，google不能接受的是审查搜索结果。

xiaodoudou · 发表于 2010-1-24 21:57

Post by 闲钱想投资;2478531
xiaodoudou同学，无知不是错，错在误导人，后患无穷啊。
计算机理论不可以与传统科学如数学物理比较，但计算机技术方法可谓五花八门，原理却极其简单。
你也可以劝劝你的那些做开发的朋友，开阔视野。
这里只是纯技术讨论，我没有说baidu一定是XX，事实上，我真的不知道他们引擎算法。

大家的意见我都在看，我没有否认XianRen的说法，只是觉得他的意见有意思，才咨询朋友。朋友和他有不同的意见，很有意思。已经在前面表述。两人的意见可能都有理，可能都没理，可能一个有一个没有，正因为我对此一无所知（说我无知完全正确！

谢谢你XX轻捶！）所以提出进一步讨论。

我既然无知，只有听两边的意见，作出：“哦，是这样吗？”的反映，然后继续听。既然无知，也就更不可能劝我的朋友开阔视野，那会是班门弄斧，天大的笑话，我更没有那个厚颜作出这样的言行。我尊敬Xianren的意见，也尊敬我朋友的意见。谁对谁错不重要，重要的是他们两人的意见，我作为不同意见，一同收藏！:p 不知是怎样在误导人，后患又在哪里？我相信，在此的读者，除了我对网络操作无知外，其余的人怕都不会像我，都会多少有判断力，不会被我这个完全无知的人轻松就误导的，所以也不会有你那么言重！什么后患无穷啊？如果我一个无知的人能做到你说的，那我是受宠了

。

闲钱想投资 · 发表于 2010-1-24 17:14

xiaodoudou同学，无知不是错，错在误导人，后患无穷啊。
计算机理论不可以与传统科学如数学物理比较，但计算机技术方法可谓五花八门，原理却极其简单。
你也可以劝劝你的那些做开发的朋友，开阔视野。
这里只是纯技术讨论，我没有说baidu一定是XX，事实上，我真的不知道他们引擎算法。

Post by xiaodoudou;2478278
我又问了我的Software Developper朋友，他说，如果百度这样做，Google会知道，并予以处理（掐断）。如果Google知道中国政府雇佣黑客企图盗窃使用Google 中国的Humanists的信息，那Google一定知道百度对Google的大肆侵权行为。Google以Search Engine赚钱，对百度不采取措施，似乎不合乎商业逻辑。

xiaodoudou · 发表于 2010-1-24 11:50

Post by xianren;2475617
请你再咨询一下专业人士，为什么在谷歌因气愤而解禁了中国政府要求屏蔽的内容如六四／赵紫阳／法轮功之类的敏感内容后，百度也跟着解禁了这些内容，注意百度一向是中宣部的乖乖仔，他有必要和勇气跟着竞争对手解禁敏感内容吗？请专家给出符合逻辑的答案。

1月18日，在谷歌解禁事件后不久，百度CTO（首席技术执行官）李一男悄然离职，是否应验了外界对百度移花接木谷歌搜索的判断？

我又问了我的Software Developper朋友，他说，如果百度这样做，Google会知道，并予以处理（掐断）。如果Google知道中国政府雇佣黑客企图盗窃使用Google 中国的Humanists的信息，那Google一定知道百度对Google的大肆侵权行为。Google以Search Engine赚钱，对百度不采取措施，似乎不合乎商业逻辑。