喜乐居

      这几天太忙没来这里，没想到很热闹！首先给大家拜年！祝大家喜乐，平安!还是要感谢大家在新年期间都没有停下摇旗呐喊的脚步！更加感谢这里面有持公平心的看客！本来中国人就喜欢吵架，更喜欢热闹，这里面有一点点公允的话都会让我感动！谢谢!
       楼主的帖子是要证明我是一个骗子，那就请你列举事实证明好了。我已请律师跟踪我们的对话记录，是否追究你的诽谤责任到时候再说。不要以为你包一个头巾在这里胡言乱语就没人知道你！
    社区网站本来就是为大家提供讨论和学习的地方，这也是我多年以来在这里分享我的经验教训的动力。当然这样的分享肯定有了广告的效应，因为它是实实在在的工程图片，是我自己做，自己写的，而不是道听途说，更不是替所谓西人师傅推荐或者传话！我很高兴也很自豪这些年的分享！因为无论是同胞还是西人同行，我自以为不比人差！当年开始写这个帖子的时候就知道会有这个被人骂的一天，因为，家装这个活你要想干的没人骂你是很难的！希望你懂的。
     关于RBQ资质，简单说它有两类：一类是承包商资质，英文就是JC，任何人都可以注册公司去考试，只要你语言好，有相关知识，就能获得。但是你不能自己干相关的活，因为干活的人必须要有相关的专家资质（specialist），这类资质就是我说的第二类。我们公司就是拥有的这类资质。作为屋主，你可以将工程报给一个总承包商（JC），但他必须将工程分包给有专家资质的施工商来承接（就像我们）。你也可以直接将工程直接包给我们承接。我们在考牌照的时候就考虑到家装工程的实际状况，因为我都是自己接活自己做，没有必要也没有在别人手上接过活。所以我们的执照就是renovation的speciallist。我们的定位就是精细家装，不碰工业及商业。而CCQ是一个施工资质的检察与发放部门，家装工程不在其管理范围。所以，在家装工地上，我们是不需要检查你是否有CCQ牌照，但是水电工程因为牵扯到保险事宜，所以要求配套公司必须要有资质，而且直接向屋主负责；目前我们公司除了水电工程以外，可以承接的家装工程，包括门窗，楼梯，地板，瓷砖，粉刷，橱柜，木工，挖掘等等。注意：有很多人都说自己有RBQ全执照，什么都能做，错！
   欢迎讨论！欢迎批评！但请放下面具，持有一颗公平的心！
     

laodao

ilovemontrealqc 发表于 2017-1-30 00:46
另外说一点，有个地方我理解的有错误，就是ＲＢＱ里的１.２　　　　１。２　表示你有资格承包这个合同，你 ...

别动不动就说你的Contractor 如何说的，你的邻居又如何了？ 在说相声吗？  就直接说你说的也没人会对你怎样了。 马甲多了会漏底子滴。

不论找谁施工， 事主先到当地市政府申请施工许可。 你不见你家邻居施工期间将许可证贴在自家窗户上， 以便外人看见。你的邻居是没有申请许可被罚还是因RBQ捞过界被罚？ 还是因两者都有的原因？  申请许可时， 是自干还是请人，自干（不需执照）部分， 要少于2万。 请人， RBQ 要填上。 置于RBQ  能干活的范围 和你申请施工许可的内容是不是相符合，市政府officer是不是要核实，who knows?   要是自己感兴趣，看下面的链接， 也可以证明一下ilovemontrealqc 说的（或着ilovemontrealqc 的Contractor）有关 喜乐居 的RBQ 的说法是不是有点太哪个了（你懂的）。

http://www.rpe.rbq.gouv.qc.ca/GIC_Public_NET/RPE/GIC111/GIC111PR01RechercheEntrepreneur.aspx

个人认为喜乐居的RBQ 是可以接一般装修的活。 希望就事论事。  

ilovemontrealqc

Hello Guys,

I am a General Contractor for many years and with many white hair from this this job.

I see your topic of discussion and on request of  my one of my best costumer, I will make light in this go and for.

At the end of my message you will find an attachment right RBQ licence for renovations. And to clarified the first topic for me it is: The lady pay the fine because she signed a contract with a contractor without licence 1.2, 1.3 . , and the work to be done was required those classes.The guy took RBQ suspension with restrictions for 5 years and 22.000,00 $ fine also; the lady (poor her) 12.000,00$ ( I was called to finish that work and believe me three times the Rbq, CCQ and City Hall came to check me (but this is something normal for us)

Second:  Some one write about city hall permission.  Who wrote  this is wrong and out of topic. When you work in a specific city you have to apply to their  laws and to which construction code they approved. There is no amount barrier for permits, there in no general rules, each city decide how they want. They, the city hall, in generally look for the street architecture, house structures, land-scape, and face colors, and of course for any additions to the house which they can tax. So you who wrote 20.000$ amount, sorry you are out of the reality.
The only correct thing you say it is that the owner had the obligation to ask the permit. Suggestion: Better the Contractor go to ask, because if me I go for example, I will have the permit wright there. No waiting.(Fees on customer)

Now the MOST IMPORTANT topics: RBQ LICENCE::





they are 3 (three) different licences. 1.Annexe I General Contractor 2. Annexe II Specialised Contractors 3 Annexe III   Lower-Risk Specialised Contractors, and this it is what the RBQ say.
1. General Contractor (RBQ 1.1.1: 1.1.2: 1.2;1.3; 1.4; 1.5; 1.6) They are the most. They have all the rights and the powers. In fact they drive more then 60% of Quebec industry. They have the right to execute or to give  to a subcontracting any jobs in the industry. For renovations: they have the right to execute them selves or to give to a sub-contractant or to use skilled workers even without CCQ competence card. Any time during and after the general contracter is totally responsible for the warranty of the jobs. And to be very clear, a General Contractor have the right to execute anything. You who say we do not have the right you are wrong and big mouth. You have the smaller RBQ licence for the moment.

2. Specialized Contractors:  Are those who have CCQ  Competence Card for a specific job in construction and past the RBQ test. EX: plumber, mason, carpenter, flooring. painter, plaster, etc..., you can find all those on RBQ site.(  ONLY THOSE PEOPLE WHO HAVE THE CCQ CARDS CAN BE CALLED SPECIALIST . If you have the CCQ Card and you have your RBQ licence only for the your speciality, you can do only your specialty job and nothing  more.

3. Lower=risk specilised classes:  All those categories are given for free without passing  any specific job exams by  RBQ
After you past  basic exams. ex: Administration( RBQ LICENSE SHOWS "A") then RBQ give you all the other categories for free WITHOUT  passing any specifics jobs exam.( All those categories are given for FREE  2.5 Excavationet terrassement ,  2.7 Travaux d'emplacement;   3.2 petits ouvrages de Beton;    4.2 Travaux de maconnerie non strcturale marbre et ceramique;    5.2 Ouvrages metalliques;   6.2 Travaux de bois et plastique;   7,  Isolation etancheite couvertures et revetement exterieur;    8, Portes dt Frnetres;   9 Travaux de finition;  11.2 , Equipements et produits speciaux;  12, Armoires et comptoirs usines;   13.5, Installations speciales ou prefabriquees;  17.2, Intercommunication telephonie et surveillance )   All those categories permit you to do some small jobs but not too much. In our construction  fields we call that jobins because of the restrictions they give.   Sorry, David  your RBQ LICENSE  it is this kind,  categories, but do not stop you to do many kinds or renovations.  

Next topics: David you say you have special licence  and the generals contractors can not do what you have in your licence. First: WELCOME  IN THE CONSTRUCTION FAMILY. I appreciate you do 2 (two) exams and past. Not easy.  Good  work man.  The point it is you are just at the start of the road, not at the end, man. You do not have no specific licence of any job in the construction, you have the wright to contract just some, and they are not big deals. Instead you have the wright to be appointed by a General to execute jobs in residential renovations where the CCQ card is not required. Please Man, do not thing you know everything in the beging, is not this. In construction we learn every day. And suggestion: Do not ever go against us the Generals Contractors, you need  us, and in the begin our push help. Do not speak or publish any more what you wrote before (suggestion)

Renovations: According by the law: On residential renovation, the contractor must be 1.2 or 1.3 RBQ licenced. Exept some specific jobs, I will enumerate further, the workers have no obligation to have CCQ competence card.  The CCQ card is required on: Plumber,  Electrician. Structure, Isolation, Door and Windows, Structure bricks or stone, Counters and cotra-tops, linoleum or carpets, any central air, natural or propane gas or refrigeration. If we look on those exceptions we understand that any mistake can affect our life or health. Do not understand that everything that is included in specialized classes from Annexe II is only for them. Each classe have exceptions.

FINAL:

I wrote more then I say in the morning meeting with my employees.

!. The topic primary was a complain against some one (David) The lady have the wright to complain to RBQ and the police. (David I suggest you to resolve the topic with her.)

2. RBQ licences I thing you guys now you understand how it works. It Is by numbers and categories. It is complicate and many many laws and different gov. paliers, agencies, etc. Just to pass any RBQ exam it is a nightmare and demande a lot of studies, time and efforts. Except Health and Safety exam who it is really easy all the others are very hard.

3. Specialists in construction are those who past 1800 hours of theory courses and 8000 hours of work under supervision of a master, any others who say I am an master or specialist is just an imposteur. Exist a Certification of RENO-MASTER but it is not easy to have.

4. For you guys the most important thing it is to ask to anybody want to execute a construction work on your propriety his RBQ Licence and verify if it is the good one for your kind of the work. On RBQ web you find any number and categories explained very nice. This site it is for you guys, not for me. Was put in place for the public.

4. Thanks to any one who wrote. I have hard time to translate, but funny. You are a really nice community which share everything. I have Chinese costumers (hard and demanding) but I always have fun.

看得惯

谢谢贴主！虽然你让骗子给骗了，但给大家增长了好多的经验，以后知道怎么防骗子了。

laodao

No matter what, it has to be faire on any comment.  Anyone who is interesting in the RBQ and also honest can get clear information from the link below.

https://www.rbq.gouv.qc.ca/en/licence-and-examinations/determining-your-licence-subclasses/licence-classes-and-subclasses.html

It seems your contractor is insisting on the item 1.2 and1.3 under the RBQ which “喜乐居” doesn’t have. The website from the above link clearly illustrates difference between the general contractor and others.

The following screenshots can explain the topics being argued here.

I think it is the difference between Schedule I and III.  

吉龙电工

Montreal 华人圈子里会说普通话，有RBQ 1.2 和 1.3 的Contractor，我认识的就有最少3位。所有人都一致认为，与靠实际在工地积累工作经验的历程相比，通过RBQ理论考试的难度可以忽略不计。以我为例，拿个RBQ资质跟玩一样，但把工程做好用了我十多年的时间，到现在也不敢说就都明白了。

另外，获得RBQ或Master资质，跟有没有实际经验没有毛的关系。想拿到所谓的RBQ或Master资质，任何人都可以报名，RBQ或CMMTQ或CMEQ不会考察你的工作经验，你只需要想办法通过理论考试就可以。所以不要被所谓的RBQ资质或Master资质忽悠了，你请的师傅能不能做出好的工程来，最好让他给你几个类似工程的推荐客户，你自己事先考察一下他的质量和口碑再做决定。

拿到RBQ或Master资质的人，只能作为Contractor去承包工程，但即使工程承包下来，承包人能不能自己动手干活，不同的情况会有完全不同的回答，这时就会谈到CCQ资质了。

简单说，CCQ资质决定了某个人是否被允许在工地动手干活；而RBQ资质只决定了某人是否有资格签合同接工程。只有CCQ资质的人是没有资格接工程的。而在某些工地上，比如商业建筑工地，要求所有施工人员必须持有CCQ资质，只有RBQ资质的人开始只能作为学徒工(Apprenti)在工地上施工，而所谓的学徒工是不允许独立施工的，他的师傅必须同时也在工地，直到学徒工积累够足够的学徒工作时间，通过出师考试后，才能拿到师傅(Compagnon)资质，自己独立在工地上施工。

以上拙见，欢迎指正。

吉龙电工

终于有人有时间和兴趣研究建筑工程资质的问题了，“我很欣慰啊”。

在正式开始研究（Chao3 Jia4）之前，先引出一个常识给大家：RBQ资质只决定某人或某单位是否有资格接工程和签合同，但并不决定某个人是否有资格在现场真正动手施工，这个资格要看CCQ资质。

抛砖引玉，请各位指正。

PS：很欣赏laodao的研究方式：没有“听说”，没有“我想”，条条论点都有论据，赞一个！

吉龙电工

有关laodao说的“自干（不需执照）部分，要少于2万”的说法，居然被“砖家”给“sorry you are out of reality.”了，着实让我迷惑了一会儿，其实这一条在RBQ网站上说的清清楚楚：

https://www.rbq.gouv.qc.ca/en/fr ... /owner-builder.html

“What are the works that I am entitled to perform as an owner of a building?

No owner-builder’s licence is necessary for the natural person who carries out, or has someone else carry out, construction works on a single-family house or any structure intended for the natural person’s or his/her family’s own private use.

Article 1 of the Regulation respecting the application of the Building Act stipulates that there is no obligation on the part of the owner-builder to hold a licence when construction works intended involve solely the renovation, repair or maintenance of his/her own property and are estimated at an amount of less than $20,000.”

希望“专家”只是由于语言差异错误理解了laodao的意思，而不是不懂装懂故意忽悠吃瓜群众。

ynmsq

好久没来，鸡年还真热闹！
我是干装修的，就事论事说几句公道话！
市场经济，选择应该是完全自愿的，楼主是华人，在异国他乡选择华人的队伍是对华人的信任，但反过来也正是在这个行业里有华人的队伍存在，使您才有的选择！您不能否认这种选择使您沟通交流更方便，更顺畅吧！大到工程总体规划，小到一个螺丝的购买，共同的语言会让您清清楚楚。无论您外语水平怎么样，中国人用汉语交流更方便这是毋庸置疑的。所以请先正视华人队伍提供更方便的服务这一事实
认识老邸多年，先不评价做的好坏。至少是认真做事，见过西人的烂尾工程多了，而且广大同胞基本素手无策，连投诉都不作为（也许不知道），更不用说跑到论坛骂街了！同意吉龙说的，有没有牌和能不能干好活儿是两回事！大家有问题商量着来，能解决才是重要的，请多沟通，保持平常心，都不容易！

看得惯

公道自在人心，不用说出来的，说出来就失公允了！能看帖子的人都会分析，英法文也有快易典，但这贴的知识量很多，有能之士给大家发点这些有用的贴子，总比一帮（什么都不会做，只会雇人乱作，只会在网上拿嘴巴瞎忽悠的）人好，加拿大是个法律国家，不行就打官司，也可以去RBQ找个检查员来检查技术问题，很多办法都可以解决。

心态不好，说穿了就是心太小了。心若大一点，还怎么会不好。