Mfun

So!

The following is true.   

Please. So many people stay in CS in Concordia. Should have more comments on this

According to a story in 经历加国——记录枫叶之国生活历程中的心情感受.

" Most of the CS Chinese Student graduated from Concordia can not find job"

Is that really true?
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CollaLorna
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  posted 07-31-2002 21:23                  
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很赞同palm的说法，并非每个人都适合做计算机行业的。国内国外均是如此，尤其当你对此份职业没有兴趣的时候，而且语言是最大的障碍。

而且我忽然觉得，这么多精英集中在加拿大，为什么没有人把他们集中起来，自己做公司呢？或者本来就是有的？或者是市场份额都没有了？

当然我还没有移民加国，不过是一名在国内站着说话不腰疼的主。

我对计算机优秀人才的理解是这样的，有良好的沟通意识，合作精神和乐于主动解决问题。这三方面绝对比优秀的编码能力来得有用。套用一句俗得不能再俗的话：软件是一种态度。
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mt930721
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  posted 07-31-2002 10:16                  
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是不是Mfun的话题太伤心了，没人忍心触及？
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Mfun
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  posted 07-31-2002 03:51                 
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nobody know anything?
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Mfun
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  posted 07-29-2002 04:23                 
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According to a story in 经历加国——记录枫叶之国生活历程中的心情感受.

" Most of the CS Chinese Student graduated from Concordia can not find job"

Is that really true?
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palm
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  posted 07-26-2002 11:48                 
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of course, now is the down turn for IT market. No one knows when it will pick up again. As well, so many well skilled IT professionals with very very strong working background got laid off from telecommunication sector. It's definitely hard for new grads.

One thing to remember also is that tooo many new Chinese immigrant switched their fields to CS or some other IT related certificates. It's really a wrong choice now!

- most of them cannot speak "good" English, so many IT consulting positions are not available to them.
- one-year or two-year training is totally not enough. how can you compete with other guys who enjoyed computer games since they were 10.
- because of IT booming in recently years, more and more local smart people choose CS in the university. They are definitely taking advantage of that. (age, skills, degree, language)
- New immigrants don't have related working experience in Canada

Maybe it was a wise choice to switch to CS 5 years ago. But according to this market right now not like two years ago(abnormal period), demand and supply is converging the equilibrium level just like OTHER Job markets.

DOUBLE THINK WHEN YOU WANT TO SWITCH to CS. If just for finding a job, then please forget about it.

-personal view
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Patrick
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  posted 07-26-2002 10:29                 
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经济总体是在好, 但这次绝不是IT的缘故, 相反IT业每况愈下. 再加上加拿大的经济主导不是IT, 而是以服务旅游等为主(就业市场的主流), 但中国大陆的移民却高度集中在IT业, 因此可以说这次衰退的最大受害者是我们.
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pengs
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  posted 07-26-2002 10:28                  
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Of course need positive. But compare to 2 years ago you know the differece.
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palm
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  posted 07-26-2002 09:55                 
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oh, really? Job market is at really tough time for poor CS students, but still you can get job offers just like any other majors. I think NO need to be too sensitive. Two of my classmates got near 60K job offers in Montreal. another one also got 60K but in US dollar  in Boston. They are all in bachelor level, graduating this year.
Keep cool
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flybead
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  posted 07-26-2002 08:25                  
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请问，不是说经济有升温吗？工作有没有改善？
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Mfun
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  posted 07-26-2002 06:41                 
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这是转贴的。

有没有切身的体会！

从康大毕业的CS PHD 工作前景怎么样？

大家有INFORMATION SHARE 吗？
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MontrealWinter
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  posted 07-11-2002 15:25                  
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be positive, look here, guys!
http://www.wenxuecity.com/BBSview.asp?SubID=newsdirect&MsgID=12363
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bad guy
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  posted 07-11-2002 13:35                  
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一位新移民在多伦多找计算机工作的真实情况

来多伦多将近10个月, 发简历无数, 得面试3次.

1 省政府部门DATABASE ADMINISTRATOR职位, 发简历后3个月收到面试通知, 面试时间1个小时整, 问题90%是可以预料到的常规问题, 面试后约3周收到一封信, 只是通知未被录取, 并没有说明特别原因.

2 私营小公司, 软件测试职位, 因为老板给的薪水低于6.85的法定工资, 我要求他给到法律规定的最低水平被拒绝, 我告诉他OK我认了, 老板不高兴, 告诉我, 我的期望值太高, 如果去工作也不会HAPPY, 而不HAPPY就缺乏工作激情, 因此不能给我OFFER.

3 小公司, JUNIOR DATABASE DEVELOPER/ADMINISTRATOR职位, 属于一个公司就一个专业人员, 维护一个很简单的系统, 同时负责解决收发EMAIL等简单问题的职位(薪水也就比LABOUR略高), 发简历后半月收到EMAIL, 告诉我超过700人应征这一个职位, 我满足MINIMUM的要求, 被列入SHORTLIST, 请我回答附件中的问题, 我回答后两周收到电话, 告知我参加INTERVIEW, INTERVIEW一周后又收到电话, 告知我参加第二轮INTERVIEW, 第二轮INTERVIEW时高诉我这一轮仅剩3人, 我满怀信心和希望回家等候, 三天后在我EMAIL和电话留言的追问下, 用EMAIL告诉我OFFER给了另一位.

从以上经历可以看出多市目前的计算机行业就业状况. 我身边的一位朋友最近找到了专业工作, 但薪水低于或相当于LABOUR的薪水. 恶性竞争, 价格战, 我的同行们, 如果一个程序员的收入和一个洗碗工的收入相当, 我为为什么要去做程序员, 是因为听起来体面一点吗? 我希望有一个价格同盟政策, 低于3万年薪的大家坚决不做, 但我知道这很难做到.