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发表于 2008-4-10 17:38 | 只看该作者

变风了!!!!!!!!!

是风向转了, 美国不抵制奥运会, 加拿大政府也不抵制奥运会, 媒体还叫唤些啥呀.


Post by mmnnmmnn
刚看了CTV-Montreal的新闻,感觉他们已经意识到他们需要倾听大多数华人的声音,大家的努力没有白费,谢谢所有组织和参加活动的朋友。我们不能再做silent minority..............
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发表于 2008-4-10 17:43 | 只看该作者
我看了,今天6点20左右的节目。标题“Another Point of View", 记者Stephane Giroux。先是到中国城采访了两个中国人,似乎都是支持中国的,其中一个人说政治不应和奥运挂钩。然后播放了一段周六抗议的场面,接着访问了三个组织者,最后访问了一个西藏女人。总共将近两分钟。
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发表于 2008-4-10 18:02 | 只看该作者
有成果! 大家鼓励一下!  

用广东话讲一句: 如果你唔(不)出声,距(他)会当你死既!  haha !  :cool:
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发表于 2008-4-10 18:22 | 只看该作者
谁是正义谁是邪恶? 公婆各说各话。有一点可以肯定:奥运火炬象征着和平的东西,已经变了味。

奧運火炬周三在三藩市傳遞﹐西藏支持者在抗議活動中與中國支持者對峙。(美聯社)
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 楼主| 发表于 2008-4-10 19:06 | 只看该作者

檄文:为什么说我们正在做的事情很有意义?



近日来,我们蒙特利尔的很多华人来到唐人街,来到CTV门口,甚至要前往渥太华,不是为了喝茶,不是为了旅游,而是为了一件非常有意义的事情------为我们的祖国呐喊。



不错,蒙特利尔的华人本来就不算多,现在团结起来的力量也有限。就我们这点人,和强大的西方媒体为敌,试图改变他们的偏见,试图纠正西方人脑袋里关于西藏的观念,这点力量不是太可笑了吗?伦敦没有做到,纽约没有做到,蒙特利尔华人能做到吗?既然如此微不足道,我们这点人费劲巴拉的在这折腾,能有多大意义呢?



不,我们正在做的事情有意义,很有意义,相当有意义。



大家都熟悉《士兵突击》了,那火的是不得了,里面许三多说了:“人活着就要做很多很多有意义的事情,有意义的事情就是好好活。”这里稍微改一下,“人活着就要做很多很多有意义的事情,有意义的事情就是越活越好。”我们在国外,不容易,无论学习,工作,谈恋爱,结婚,生孩子,赡养父母,抚育孩子,都是很有意义的事情。可是,这并不是生活的全部,还有更有意义的事情我们可以做。而如今我们就做了,那就是:为了我们的祖国,为了我们的民族,站出来做一点事情。我们都希望祖国富强,国家昌盛我们就跟着自豪,我们要活的有意义,我们要越活越好,但我们也打心底里希望祖国越过越好。这对我们个人来说,相当有意义。



2008年,是一个让全世界华人骄傲的年份。但是,并不是每个国家,每个人都希望中国人骄傲,有些人就是希望中国活的不好,过的不爽。你不是要办奥运吗?好,我要看你笑话。一个远在十万八千里的苏丹达尔富尔,估计没有几个中国人知道是个啥地方,天天被好莱坞那帮自以为道德高尚的导演艺人挂在嘴边,说那边有种族屠杀问题,所以号召抵制北京奥运。那么个鸟不拉屎的地方出点事,中国居然要被拿出来谴责,这些连苏丹都没去过的小丑演员们,脑子是不有问题?那以后中国在哪个国家有企业,那个地方出点事还不都得有责任?伊拉克人,土耳其库尔德人,巴勒斯坦人的人权怎么就没有那么多人关心呢?再说这次西藏的事,这时间选的多准啊,台湾大选在即,北京奥运不远,现在有一些暴徒蹦出来,一手拿着念珠,一手拿着石头,说他们是自发的,说他们后面没有背景,你信吗?当全世界华人不认识黄雀啊?这次我们身后站着可不止一只黄雀,眼里放着光,仿佛看见了又一个立陶宛,又一个科索沃,如果西藏成了科索沃他们会不会高兴呢?肯定不会,因为才分出一块太少了。因为只有中国回到战国七雄时代,大卸八块,永不翻身,他们才会高兴。中国首先是个强大的对手,其次才是意识形态上的敌人,国家利益是超乎意识形态的。这不,西藏骚乱一出,某些国家议员甚至总统立刻出来号召抵制奥运,好像好几个月前就准备好了似的。媒体在还不知道怎么回事的情况下就开始煽风点火,好像枪口都瞄准了好几年似的。



这次西藏骚乱,汉族,回族和善良的藏族平民是受害者,藏族医生为救汉族孩子被暴徒打伤,学校医院被暴徒冲击甚至烧毁。不是说佛教徒不杀生,不参政吗?怎么这藏传佛教的某些人听起来更象恐怖分子?杀人放火,冲击使馆,无视国际法,这样的做法何异于恐怖分子?可是为什么还有这么多连西藏都不知道在哪里的西方愚民为他们唱颂歌?众口铄金,积毁销骨,西方媒体和政府多年来的反华宣传在奥运之年达到了一个高峰,为什么?因为他们害怕了,他们看到了中国的强大,他们担心得睡不着觉。然而历史是无法逆转的,虽然这不是一只螳臂,但是它依然无法挡住中华民族崛起的车轮。



以前,给大家的感觉是,中国人不团结,这次西藏事件后纽约等大城市都没有什么太像样的抗议活动,大家都在观望,就是没有人站出来,既然中国政府都疲于应付,我们这些海外华人,人少,影响力小,站出来有意义吗?



然而,事情往往就是出乎意料。正当欧美媒体开足火力,中国政府疲于应付的时候,海外华人仗着语言和信息的优势最先发现了自负的敌人的弱点。图片造假,故意剪切,张冠李戴,被海外华人抓个现行。然后youtube就有了讨伐西方媒体的视频,短短时间内几百万个点击,以至于youtube不得不作弊人为降低点击率。于是西方媒体的攻势开始松动,这时国内有些教授们也站出来表示自己人为西方媒体不可信,比较搞笑的是,他们的证据居然是海外网友作的媒体作假图片。然后各个媒体也开始报道作假的事情,迫于压力,有的西方媒体道歉,有的则开始反思,于是峰回路转,开始有不同的西方媒体声音出现,西藏人不是受害者而是凶手。虽然还比较微弱,但是阵地已经不再是死板一块。



是谁抓住了关键,扭转了一边倒的舆论?是海外华人站了出来。媒体开始担心了,以海外华人提供资料的反CNN网站的出现,迫使CNN不得不小小的诡辩一下,它本来连诡辩的打算都没有的,是我们,让美国,让德国的媒体不情愿地低了一下头。这就是开端,海外华人,尤其是欧洲和北美的华人当立首功。



如今欧洲的媒体,尤其是英法德三国媒体,已经不只是扭扭捏捏地搞一点剪裁和张冠李戴的诡计了,而是连虚伪的面皮也扯掉,气急败坏地跳出来,象个小丑一样大声喧嚣,以破坏奥林匹克圣火传递为荣,如此赤裸裸的偏见,表明它已经黔驴技穷,恼羞成怒了。而越来越暴力的藏独分子也在其雇佣者“Free Japan(音近Tibet)”的露馅口号中愈发尴尬(当然,西方媒体是不会曝光这样的“露馅”)。自诩公正的西方媒体这样做,实在是愚不可及,为欺负残疾女孩的暴徒唱赞歌,这样下三滥的做法只能使其自绝于西方普通民众,使得其30年来苦心营造的反华舆论开始动摇。多年以来一直寄希望于和平演变中国,制造下一个苏联分裂的反华阵营,这次是聪明反被聪明误,意外地在华人中失去了信誉,意外地让中国人民团结起来。



这是一个生死攸关的时刻,全世界华人团结起来了,而海外华人就是一个引领者。谁说我们做的事情没有意义,我们蒙特利尔华人站出来,加拿大华人站出来,全世界海外华人被鼓舞了,也都会站出来,此次澳洲和欧洲的一些城市取消后又重新举办的游行就是例证。我们不会抛弃祖国,我们不会放弃一点点希望,我们也相信所做的一切不会白费。



不抛弃,不放弃。我们可以做到,我们在改变,美国总统候选人靠change赢得美国人的赞许,我们也可以change西方人观念,虽然这需要一个长期的过程,但毕竟有人开始做了。Montreal华人好样的,海外华人好样的,全球华人团结,民族才会复兴。



让我们每一个人,贡献一点点力量;让我们每一个人,为了祖国,活的更有意义。

感谢大家对我们的支持,感谢你们的各种建议。 祖国万岁!
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发表于 2008-4-10 19:12 | 只看该作者



不抛棄,不放棄!

好!

好!

好!

頂!

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发表于 2008-4-10 20:34 | 只看该作者

一封挑衅信和回复

Facebook上有个比利时人发来一封信,内容如下:

Sports will NEVER be free of politics, because NOTHING is. We have been jostling for power since we discovered fire, and it isn't going to change anytime soon.

Having said that, I fully support the protesters and the struggle of the Tibetan people. Another tiananmen square is happening right before our eyes, and your concerned about the "Olympic spirit?" What about the human spirit? What about the cries of the women beaten by Chinese soldiers?

To hell with the Olympics, and long live Tibet!



以下是我的回复:

What a statement, you politics-lover! I bet you wake up every morning with nothing around except politics. Buddha bless you.

Having said that, I feel great pity for you as you are too brainwashed to tell black from white. You live in believing instead of reality, ignoring the FACTs that your "Tibet" has never been acknowledged as an independent state since the establishment of the League of Nations and the United Nations. The region has been under the Chinese regimes for hundreds of years, and now is STILL an autonomic region of PRC – yes, the Xizang Autonomic Region (TAR, if you prefer Tibet to Xizang), exactly what the fourteenth Dalai Lama is verbally claiming for, except that the ruler of it is not him. With your good knowledge in politics (I suppose so) you can surely explain better what territorial integrity means and why religion should be separated from government.

You said you support the "struggle" of the Tibetan people? Oops, you might not aware of the STRUGGLING life of Tibetan people before the 1950s. It was a slavery society. Bunches of documentaries and history researches by Western scholars have studied the social status under Dalai's rule, confirming the miserable living conditions of Tibetan people of the time. No matter how hard it is for you, old Tibet was freed from serfdom 50 years ago by the PLA. Wanna ignore it? Here is a convenient, short paper, http://www.michaelparenti.org/Tibet.html, in case you are avoiding lengthy, heavy books.

Another Tiananmen Square is happening right before your eyes? Check your eyesight, please. You deliberately ignore the FACTs that recent "protests" in Lhasa were nothing but violence. Talk to your Western fellows who were there at the time (if you can't get one, here is a backup: http://kadfly.blogspot.com). Violence is NOT Buddhism; violence is WRONG. Wanna tag human-rights (or human spirit as you prefer) labels to the thugs who burned houses and cars, attacked innocent children and seniors, destroyed public and private properties? Shame on you!

Glad that you mentioned Tiananmen Square. I was one of the student protesters in 1989 and knew clearly how and why the tragedy was happened. Don’t ever try to equal the 1989 Tiananmen Movement to recent Tibetan riots. It only confirms your ignorance and irresponsible remarks. I am also proud to say that the generation of 1989 is now the hard core of China. They work hard with an open heart to build a better society, a dream that sparkled in Tiananmen Square 20 years ago. It is YOU who ignore and deny the progress they have made.

Wanna sugar yourself as a fighter for the self-determination “in” Tibet? Holy shit! Tibetan people have already determined their way in the past 50 years. You just ignore again the FACTs that the recent violence were organized by people outside the TAR instead of those inside, in the name of the sacred Dalai who betrayed his words and escaped from the holy land 50 years ago, leaving his followers behind. He might still be the spiritual leader of whatever, but will never be the ruler of TAR again. External noisy might satisfy outsiders like you, but will never change the FACTs that ethnic Tibetans are the family of China and are living improved lives of their choices not only in TAR but throughout the country. Deal with it.

To hell with your human spirit, and long live Tibet as part of China!
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发表于 2008-4-10 20:45 | 只看该作者

bravo!有理有据. GJGJGJ!






Wanna sugar yourself as a fighter for the self-determination “in” Tibet? Holy shit! Tibetan people have already determined their way in the past 50 years. You just ignore again the FACTs that the recent violence were organized by people outside the TAR instead of those inside, in the name of the sacred Dalai who betrayed his words and escaped from the holy land 50 years ago, leaving his followers behind. He might still be the spiritual leader of whatever, but will never be the ruler of TAR again. External noisy might satisfy outsiders like you, but will never change the FACTs that ethnic Tibetans are the family of China and are living improved lives of their choices not only in TAR but throughout the country. Deal with it.

To hell with your human spirit, and long live Tibet as part of China![/QUOTE]
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发表于 2008-4-10 20:50 | 只看该作者

赞一个


Another Tiananmen Square is happening right before your eyes? Check your eyesight, please. You deliberately ignore the FACTs that recent "protests" in Lhasa were nothing but violence. Talk to your Western fellows who were there at the time (if you can't get one, here is a backup: http://kadfly.blogspot.com). Violence is NOT Buddhism; violence is WRONG. Wanna tag human-rights (or human spirit as you prefer) labels to the thugs who burned houses and cars, attacked innocent children and seniors, destroyed public and private properties? Shame on you!


不过这里的链接好象失效了,不是这样就发给 它 了吧?
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发表于 2008-4-10 20:59 | 只看该作者
some useful infomation

1653年清朝皇帝
确立了对西藏宗教领袖dl和班禅的册封制度及其继承人灵童“转世”的金瓶。(In 1653, Qing Emperor offically gave the title Dalai to the head of Gelug
Schools of
Buddhism in Tibet. Since then any reincarnation aka successor of Dalai has
to be approved and confirmed by Chinese central government.)

现在的dl也是中国政府认定(officiated)的,是1940年由当时执政的民国政府认定。(In 1940, current Dalai Lama was officiated
by then Chinese central government)



1892年美国百科全书用世界地图。



2、不是说西藏不是被中国领土、dl被zf逼走的吗,达赖可一直在中国zf里任
有公职滴:1953年dl被推选为中华人民共和国佛教协会荣誉会长,1954年为dl当选为第一届全国人民代表大会常务委员会副委员长
(Deputy Chairman of the Standing Committe of the National People's Congress aka parliment of PRC,),
直到59年出逃前都在中国zf管辖下的西藏自治区任职。

SO, if Tibet had been an independent country then, how came a "foreigner"
like Dalai could hold such an important position in the parliment of PRC?

3、要求恢复西藏从前在dl众僧人政教合一统治(theocracy)下政教合一的农奴制的“美好时光”?
请看“Friendly Feudalism: The Tibet Myth by Michael Parenti(记着,一定要给出文章的题目和作者的名字,因为youtube等网站不让发带网址链接的贴子).
著名学者Michael Parenti的文章:友好的封建主义--西藏迷思(Friendly Fuedalism: the Tibet Myth)
http://www.michaelparenti.org/Tibet.html

“Cheval DX的补充”:
另外,资深藏学家Melvyn T Goldstein的书和文章也非常客观公正,两本书都有中文版。Goldstein, Melvyn C是美国人,86年起进行西藏研究
在西.藏生活了12年,会说藏语(但不会汉语)。此人对西藏的研究比较透彻,深入,中立。
Melvyn C Goldstein的两本书,一本是《西.藏现代史(1913-1951)——喇嘛王国的覆灭》(A History of Modern Tibet, 1913-1951,杜永彬汉译,
时事出版社1994年),另一本是《The Snow Lion and the Dragon: China, Tibet, and the DalaiLama》Berkeley: University of California Press,1997。

His bio is here: http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Melvyn_Goldstein

His two books:

* Melvyn C. Goldstein: /A History of Modern Tibet, 1913-1951/.
University of California Press, 1991
http://books.google.fr/books?id=Upwq0I-wm7YC&dq=melvyn+c+goldstein%27s+book+the+demise+of+the+lamaist+state&pg=PP1&ots=p6CSqGhMRk&sig=Jj282TZvtVuLtfYhBOO0eu2A72A&hl=fr&prev=http://www.google.fr/search?q=Melvyn+C.+Goldstein%27s+book+The+Demise+of+the+Lamaist+State&btnG=Rechercher&num=30&hl=fr&sa=X&oi=print&ct=title&cad=one-book-with-thumbnail#PPP1,M1

* Melvyn C. Goldstein, The Snow lion and the Dragon: China, Tibet
and the Dalai Lama. Berkeley: University of California Press. 1997.
http://ark.cdlib.org/ark:/13030/ft2199n7f4/


没有比较就没有进步,请愤愤们看看新西藏,题目就叫Tibet Diary - Episode 1~6 on youtube。
http://youtube.com/watch?v=fNeGcLoPFow
http://youtube.com/watch?v=uQOzHDob5gw
http://youtube.com/watch?v=m5MdCMs0NUk
http://youtube.com/watch?v=BEHrIRrOXTA
http://youtube.com/watch?v=DL_kaiauMnk
http://youtube.com/watch?v=KkprHNIItNU&feature=related


A BRIEF INTRODUCTION OF TIBET HISTORY AND LAMAISM
Wang Zai-Tian
http://www.wangyee.net/comp/Tibet2004.htm


THE SHADOW OF THE DALAI LAMA: Sexuality, Magic and Politics in Tibetan Buddhism
Victor & Victoria Trimondi
http://www.iivs.de/~iivs01311/SDLE/

TIBET - A REALITY CHECK
N. RAM
http://www.flonnet.com/fl1718/17180040.htm


Discussion from a sincere insider on PBS forum:
M.A.Jones
http://discussions.pbs.org/viewtopic.pbs?t=68073&sid=ce0b20590dd445725153c83b5ef21c7f

英语视频材料:(credit goes to chujiandui@Mitbbs)

1) A video by Monarex Hollywood Corpration
Tibet: The Truth (Oppression, monks, nuns, ...you are wrong)
.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xsoc4-QnplY&hl=en

2) The documentary (a Youtube clip) made in 1944 during the WWII said very
clearly: Tibet was part of China. If so, how can it become questionable
today?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_tOtVQ7cNWY&hl=en

3) 7 lies about Tibet
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=acHkXqik_Bo&hl=en


4) Why Tibet belongs to China (Youtube)
http://www.youtube.com/v/zJGoE5qaKrE&hl=en


5 Who is Dalai Lama and what's unknown about him (Youtube)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h8FMNtTw24o&hl=en


6) Free Tibet is a lie ! Dalai Lama's own agreement and his voice recorded(
Youtube)
http://www.youtube.com/v/s8iC79teLvo&hl=en


英文文字材料:
西藏今昔:(Ancient and Modern Tibet)

Good Western or independent sources on Tibet
http://americanmediawatch.tripod.com/id49.htm

Myth and Reality - Foster Stockwell
http://journeyeast.tripod.com/myth_and_reality.html

Tibet: Myth and Reality ¨C The other side ¨C Grain (Table of Contents)
http://journeyeast.tripod.com/tibet.html

The Myths within History

The Dalai Lama: Incarnation of the Tibetan Gods ¨C V. and V. Trimondi
http://www.trimondi.de/SDLE/Part-2-01.htm

The Dalai Lama (Avalokiteshvara) and the Demoness (Srinmo) ¨C V. and V.
Trimondi
http://www.trimondi.de/SDLE/Part-2-02.htm

Regicide as Lamaism¡¯s Myth of Origin and the Ritual Sacrifice of
Tibet ¨C V. and V. Trimondi
http://www.trimondi.de/SDLE/Part-2-06.htm

Dharma Assassin Kusum Lingpa - Charles Carreon
http://www.american-buddha.com/dharma.ass.htm

Social Reality in Ancient Tibet

Friendly Feudalism: The Tibet Myth ¨C Michael Parenti
http://www.michaelparenti.org/Tibet.html

Social Reality in Ancient Tibet ¨C V. and V. Trimondi
http://www.trimondi.de/SDLE/Part-2-04.htm

The Dalai Lamas: Prisoners of the Potala Junta ¨C Charles Carreon
http://www.american-buddha.com/dalai.prisoner.htm

The CIA and Tibet

Dalai Lama's Links to CIA Still Stir Debate - George Fetherling
http://www.straight.com/content.cfm?id=952

The Shadow Circus ¨C The CIA in Tibet
http://www.naatanet.org/shadowcircus/shang4.html

The CIA's Secret War in Tibet ¨C Kenneth Conboy and James Morrison
http://www.kansaspress.ku.edu/concia.html

Exiled Tibetans claim CIA betrayal - Grain
http://journeyeast.tripod.com/cia_betrayal.html#cia

The Dalai C.I.A. Lama
http://rwor.org/a/v20/980-89/985/tibet.htm

Tibet¡¯s Underground Army
http://www.chushigangdruk.org/history/history.html

Photos: Tibet¡¯s Underground Army
http://www.chushigangdruk.org/photos/photos.html

The CIA in Shangri La
http://www.american-buddha.com/bulletin_bo...topic.php?t=344

Tibetan guerrillas and the CIA
http://www.trimondi.de/SDLE/Part-2-09.htm#CIA

The Making of Modern Tibet

The Snow Lion and the Dragon - China, Tibet, and the Dalai Lama - Melvyn C.
Goldstein
http://ark.cdlib.org/ark:/13030/ft2199n7f4/

The Struggle for Modern Tibet - William Siebenschuh
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/156...3534374-4720603

Through the Eye of Some Western Scholars - Grain
http://journeyeast.tripod.com/western_scholars.html

Hard look at a mystical land Review - Martin Spice
Tibet, Tibet A Personal History of a Lost Land ¨C Patrick French
http://202.186.86.35/lifestyle/stor...739929&newspage

Through the Eye of the Tibetans - Grain
http://journeyeast.tripod.com/thru_eye_of_tibetans.html

China¡¯s Tibet - Educational take-off in Tibet - N. Ram
http://www.flonnet.com/fl1719/17191080.htm

Tibetans and the Cultural Revolution - Grain
http://journeyeast.tripod.com/tibetans_and_the_cr.html

Tibetans Are Not These Victims - Grain
http://journeyeast.tripod.com/tibet...ot_victims.html

Tibet - a Reality Check - N. Ram
http://www.flonnet.com/fl1718/17180040.htm

http://www.flonnet.com/fl1718/fl171800.htm

Thoughts on Tibet
http://www.flonnet.com/fl1725/17251070.htm

China¡¯s Tibet - Educational take-off in Tibet - N. RAM
http://www.flonnet.com/fl1719/17191080.htm

Tibet through Chinese Eyes ¨C Peter Hessler
http://www.theatlantic.com/issues/99feb/tibet.htm

The Methods of Propaganda - Grain
http://journeyeast.tripod.com/metho...propaganda.html

The Press in Tibet ¨C looking beyond the Stereotypes
http://alumnus.caltech.edu/~pamlogan/endfairytale.htm

Through the Eye of a Forgotten Minority ¨C Grain
http://members.tripod.com/~journeye...n_minority.html

The Dalai Lama's Politics of Race ¨C Bevin Chu
http://www.antiwar.com/chu/c102999.html
http://thechinadesk.tripod.com/the_...as_politics.htm

Backtalk! The Dalai Lama¡¯s Politics of Race ¨C Bevin Chu
http://thechinadesk.tripod.com/back...as_politics.htm

Tibet and World Politics

Tibet and the United States ¨C A. Tom Grunfeld
http://www.columbia.edu/itc/ealac/barnett/...unfeld-part.pdf

My View on a Tibetan Propaganda Site: "ower of Compassion" - Grain
http://journeyeast.tripod.com/power_of_compassion.html

How the Tibet movement can backfire on America - by Alice Ewing
http://members.tripod.com/americanmediawatch/id16.htm

Reassessing Tibet Policy - A. Tom Grunfeld
http://www.fpif.org/briefs/vol5/v5n09tibet_body.html

Dalai's "Virtual Tibet" Just a Fad: US Scholar Tom Grunfeld (Xinhua)
http://www.tibet.ca/wtnarchive/2001/7/27_4.html

Lamaism - quaint feudal oppression mass-marketed to the West
http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2003/12/277073.shtml

China¡¯s Metaphysical Rivalry with Tibet ¨C V. and V. Trimondi
http://www.trimondi.de/SDLE/Part-2-14.htm

China good? China bad? - Nothing is simple in Tibet.
http://www.salon.com/travel/feature/1999/08/07/tibet/
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