chench

共产党有几个孔繁森焦于录大家都清楚，
64那会最支持中共的北京市民有多少人自发上街拦军车，这不是几个人煽动煽动就可以做到的，
中共不可能解决腐败问题，
当年64后宣布打击腐败我还真以为能成功，到现在我才发现挤脓是没有用的，
就算换了你我一样会义无反顾大贪特贪，
现在到国外的暴发户大部分都是贪官，他们的挥豁消费居然令一些人认为是给中国人争光，
真他妈的不可理预#·￥%……%￥#！

中美之战10年内铁定会打，导火线是台湾，
2009年中共都提出最后期限绝对是动真格的，

我一向预策都很准，象我曾预策世界杯中国对一场不胜（还没敢预策到一球不进）
朋友都说我马后炮，为何不去炒股，
我现在就提前请写出来，大家先别骂，到时就知道准不准

回过头来覆心自问我从出生到现在生活确实越来越好，还真没吃过苦，特别是看到北韩还是那么穷困，我就觉得特幸福，现在出了国在国内也吃香，虽然没房没车，老家的姑娘还是排着队想嫁我，感谢邓泊泊，感谢江主席！（不是反话，是真心的）

taipingyang

爱国, 从自己言行做起, 爱中国, 就做个好中国人, 有骨气.想融入当地社会的,要做加拿大人的, 就做个好加拿大人, 但是别把自己的本给忘了.中国, 那块土地, 永远是祖国.

zee

To: iebuz

少说废话，请你在亚洲泛围内举出一个不受西方教化开化而能够自我独立发展而现代化的国家和民族，只要有一个我就马上在这个BBS对所有的愤青认错。

另，我当然不敢在愤青中公开露面，就象我不会去阿富汗，也门，巴勒斯坦这样的被狭隘的宗教种族仇恨占据的地方旅行一样。这跟民主有任何的关系吗？

To: doudou388

请你不要臭美了，我在纽约满地可都住过，我可以跟你说，在纽约生活容易得多了，满地可就象一潭死水，只有几个愤青在聒噪

Lemom Tea

本来都想少讲两句, 但看到有些连禽兽都不如的大陆人对神职人员和香港人台湾人说三道四实在是忍无可忍. 你们问问自己的良心(如果你们还有的话), 昨天还拿着移民纸去教会和唐人街台湾人香港人办的移民服务机构求助, 今天就对人说三道四, 这些是不是禽兽所为?

来自同一个群体的人经常在外面为非作歹, 人家就会指责这个群体, 因为作为一个群体, 它有责任约束自己的成员, 它没有约束好它就要承担责任, 群体的责任是由群体内每一个成员承担的, 所以那么多大陆人作了坏事你不可以说你无做过就事不关己高高挂起, 因为你都有份承担后果. 就好似提起南京大屠杀, 当年大部分日本人都没在南京杀过人, 现在的日本人更加不会在南京杀人, 但一般说起南京大屠杀人家一定会说日本人制造了南京大屠杀, 而不是说东条英机或裕仁天皇, 就是因为这是群体责任.

台湾有个削凯子事件, 一个当红电视台女主播耍小聪明占了一个日本人的便宜, 结果被全社会谴责, 行出街就被人指着背脊骂. 这就是社会的自律行为. 一个群体有自律的功能才会进步, 一个没有自律功能的群体就会自甘堕落. 相比之下, 台湾人比大陆人优秀, 因为大陆人对自己群体的不良行为一味包庇纵容, 自甘堕落. 本来, 大陆人对很多为文明社会不耻的行为不以为然, 但如果你要上进和融入社会,就要摒弃那些恶习. 但这里的很多大陆人不但不知羞耻, 反而以耻为荣, 这样怎么可能受人尊重呢?

正所谓近朱者赤, 近墨者黑. 离开这个群体, 洁身自好, 如果你还心地善良和想上进融入社会的话, 因为大陆人这个群体很多人不知羞耻, 以耻为荣成风, 无可救药. 试问如果你依然浑身恶习, 正直的人又怎会接受你呢? 而且离开这个群体你还会免去不必要的麻烦, 当你成日听到又有某某大陆人被他自己的同乡害了, 你敢保证下一个不是你吗? 相比讲国语的大陆人, 那些讲广东话, 讲台山话和讲福建话的大陆移民一般还分得清是非善恶. 如果讲国语的大陆人在某餐馆被他们递上一杯吐了口水在茶杯里面的茶, 请你们一定不要觉得意外!

hiker

反驳Zee：

民主自由好当然要学习，但需要漫长时间。让老美来管理，他没好处能来干吗？一个墨西哥朋友说，十年前他们一个深得民意的总统候选人被中情局的人暗杀了，原因是不听话。所以别幻想天上的馅饼了！

爱国爱的是一个种族，一种文化，并不是指一个特定的时期特定的政府。
移民有什么错？日本，台湾，韩国移民都不少，难道他们国家也有GC党？

另外，问问茶先生，上帝怎么教你们爱世人的？怎么教你们把所有人当兄弟姐妹的？别在那里伪善，教我恶心了！  :mad:

iebuz

To Zee:

Firstly, I definitely don't have any Asian country to meet your demand. I confess that countries in Asia are all somewhat, or more or less, fallen behind. However, that is not because that they have not been enough colonized. The powerfulness of a nation, the prosperity of a country have nothing to do with colonialism. Britain, France, Germany... have never been colonized, but they are strong enough now. Secondly, you don't have to confess your wrongness here. Everyone has the right to say whatever he or she wants, as long as it is not insulting. You can express your opinion freely here.

The colonialism has been swept into the historical garbage bin long time ago while you are now taking it out saying that it is a medicine which can save the Chinese nation. Your opinion has no market here. Suppose you tell Americans that attacks like 9.11 should be more, much more in future, I think none of American will agree with you, right? Actually, you can share your opinion with whoever agrees with you. Frankly speaking, most people will not follow you. Even if in Taiwan, I think most people would not accept your opinion that it would be better if Taiwan was longer colonized by Japanese, or after Japanese, by American.

As for your showing-up in public, it is simply because of your opinion – continuation of colonialism in China – that makes you dare not to show up in public. Of course, it has nothing to do with democracy, nor with your example – a trip to Afghanistan …. However, the question is why you are so hated here? Actually, no one hates you, but your opinion. In other words, whoever sticks to the continuation of colonialism in China, no matter in the name of Lee, Tee, Bee, … will be hated all the same here as this opinion expresses the opposite direction to the world tendency.

Loving its motherland has nothing to do with any political party, administration, system… , nor with immigration to abroad or returning back. Returning back does not mean you love your country, and immigration to abroad is not equal to the fact that you don’t love your country. There could various reasons for immigration or returning back. They all express different concepts. It is the common sense. A well-educated man like you should know it quite clearly. Please don’t mix these concepts up.

Also, westernization has nothing to do with the dignity of a nation. No one here insists on refusal of westernization. It is only a reminder not to forget its own nation even if in the process of being westernized. Anything wrong with this opinion?

Finally, I want to tell you that all the Chinese I have met are all excellent. I have never met anyone who hates his countrymen so deeply like you. I never think that people from Mainland is worse than Hongkongnese or Taiwanese. On the contrary, they are much much superior to Taiwanese, in all aspects.

gold

to lemon tea:

你可真是应了那句古话:办只许州官放火,不许百姓点灯

这场争论明明就是你们挑起来的,是你们先在这数落大陆人的不是.现在看到一些对台湾人和香港人的闲言碎语就受不了了. 怎么? 伤了自尊了?!当你说别人,尤其批判一个群体时,有没有想过一些无辜的人的自尊也被你伤的鲜血淋漓呢?
看您老人家不会不知道"己所不欲勿施于人"的道理吧.
不要说你们一个脏字没讲, 可你们都是用的软刀子.
想想看,如果有人当面骂你一句脏话,和当面说你们家人都是男盗女娼,哪个更令你气愤呢?

仔细想想吧!!!!

gold

to lemon tea:

亏你还能想出往茶水里吐口水的恶招
说实话在大陆我都没听说有这种事情
真领教了你们台湾香港人的高素质了
真够伪善的

说实话
你们用的着这么恨大陆人吗
大陆人把你们都怎么着了?
心理也太阴暗了吧!

奉劝您老人家一句话:
仇恨是一把双刃剑
伤别人时也伤了自己

不要到最后自己心理扭曲
下了地狱

zee

To: iebuz

"Britain, France, Germany... have never been colonized, but they are strong enough now."
--难道你没有看到我讨论的只限于亚洲国家吗？你说的这些国家本来就是先进文明的代表是殖民者。

"The colonialism has been swept into the historical garbage bin long time ago while you are now taking it out saying that it is a medicine which can save the Chinese nation."
--我根本没有说过救中国的药方是殖民统治，我说的是全盘西化。请你仔细的读我的帖子。我旧事重题殖民化是为了提醒愤青们要承认西方文明的先进和中国大陆文化的堕落。

"and immigration to abroad is not equal to the fact that you don’t love your country. "
--我承认的确有个别人是另外的原因而移民，但在普遍知道加拿大新移民苦苦挣扎的情况下仍然有大陆人前赴后继的跑过来你说还有什么原因？

"Also, westernization has nothing to do with the dignity of a nation. No one here insists on refusal of westernization. It is only a reminder not to forget its own nation even if in the process of being westernized. Anything wrong with this opinion?"
--这个意见当然没错，但我指出现在大陆道德沦丧，国人奸滑也一样没错。

"Finally, I want to tell you that all the Chinese I have met are all excellent. I have never met anyone who hates his countrymen so deeply like you. I never think that people from Mainland is worse than Hongkongnese or Taiwanese. On the contrary, they are much much superior to Taiwanese, in all aspects. "
--那你可能见到的大陆人太少了。台湾人可能有些方面比不少大陆人，但台湾人有民主有自由，可以自由选举自己的领袖，除了不够霸道之外我认为他们在所有方面都进化得比大陆人优越。大陆人到目前为止从整体上还缺乏独立自主的人格。

eyesglass

to zee:
"我说的是全盘西化。" 我现在还不知道有哪个国家可以完全抛弃自己的传统，祖先和文化，完全照搬西方而成功的例子，请你举一个亚洲国家的例子，其实只要不是西方的国家也行，不必拘泥于亚洲。否则请你闭嘴。