一个非常非常奇怪的事情

toyou · 发表于 2004-2-28 23:55

每个人都从自己做起.
多给同胞些宽容.爱心和帮助!

popcorn2002 · 发表于 2004-2-29 00:08

呵呵，真的是很报歉啊Winstar和netsino! 给的帽子是大了点，把头都罩没了，这样太不好了呵 wink

我主张的是有事说事，有理说理。大家都是“性情中人”，谁肚子里还没有个五脏六腑？您说，是不是？呵呵，所以呢，有一说一，实话实说，这样比较好。我现在才算明白，两位是对有人冲“新移民”说三道四，路见不平啊。呵呵，这很好，是得有人拔刀相助。不然的话，舆论总是一边倒，这样太不民主了啊。然而我还是建议大家这样做，如果对哪个句子，哪个词，哪个说法有情绪，有意见，有不同的看法，直接了当地指出来为好。不然的话，这个坛子的民主自由平等之风何日建立得起来呢？(呵呵，千万不要在这个句子上闻出“伟人”的味道来啊，这种想法在加拿大是再平凡不过了，实在是不能以伟大论之。虽然我心里会赞叹，此风是何等的伟大!) 相互地扔小醋罐子是不可取的。让别人看了笑话啊。呵呵，我的脸发烧了啊。

boyboyfreely的建议非常好，可是移过去可能来不及了，不知道版主是否方便这样的操作。
此外，boyboyfreely的话题也是非常好的。讨论讨论会让大家都有个数。我说过，我的观念里面是有错误的，不讨论就不会明白。我也有做错的时候。因此我宁愿别人能够把话说得明白，而不愿意别人把对我的坏印象放在肚子里。这样我连修正的机会都没有。然而我有个担心是话题放大了，会不好把握。或许boyboyfreely有好的高招。我期待着。

我原来的意思是把一些共性的问题拿出来，试图考察这些共性的问题的背后的东西。这样就可以避免对个人的评判或谴责。因为我们知道，很多的事，针对个人是于事无补的。这等于是把社会或者环境应负的责任完全地推到了个人的头上。因为有些问题是某一社会，或环境的因素造成的。我们曾经就某场“文化革命”而谴责过一些个人。然而在整个的社会都疯狂的情况下，单个的人实在是无力承担这样的责任。尽管一位老先生自己先忏悔过。但于事无补。呵呵，我知道，又扯远了。这种“扯”法，对这个话题来说又意味着冒一次风险。

的确，我已以意识到了。我的这样一个原意会造成这样一种困境，话题会与民族意识与民族自尊相联系起来。在我们所处的，这样一个环境下，这种联系是如此的容易发生。这是我在考虑问题的时候不周到的地方。在这种情况下，一般来说是要表明自己的立场才是。我也不能“免俗”。我的立场是好的，这一点，我是无法改变的，正如我无法改变我的扁鼻子和黄皮肤。但是也正因为如此，我不希望在一个多元化的社会中，因为我们融合的不够，而有负于这个多元文化环境对我们宽厚与仁爱。我没有任何贬低一种文化而拉抬另一种文化的意思。这与多元文化的精神不符。然而善意的批评还是要有的。何况我还是有资格做这种善意的批评。因为，呵呵，幸运的是，我不是外族人 wink

June2003z · 发表于 2004-2-29 00:14

非常赞同POPCORN2002，TOYOU 和九头鸟的话。
有知识并不等于有理性，有头脑，有见解，有作为。
我们需要理性的思考，并积极进取。洋人同样不喜欢中国人窝里斗。
请多给同胞些宽容.爱心和帮助!

九头鸟 · 发表于 2004-2-29 08:47

楼主实在是很客气。
其实我写写东西，主要目的是锻炼自己的中文水平，以及根据自己看到、听到的事实来尽可能的给一些需要帮助的同胞一点小小的帮助，能得到楼主的称赞，我心甚慰，至于说指点江山，我想我们还达不到毛主席的胸襟。至于伟人，加拿大更不需要了，也许在我们的下一代可能出个领导。
说起新移民，我们来了几年的也还是属于新移民，看到别人在走弯路，在徘徊，有人是真心实意想帮一把。可惜的是，往往会被人理解成不同的意思。这也是我们华人不能真正团结的原因，这也是加拿大敢于接待中国移民的原因。如果我们真的团结，以华人在加拿大的人数和经济实力，我想国会议员里至少也该有10%的华人了。
我还是强调我的观点，中国文化和加拿大没有冲突，个人素质是导致个人生活差异的原因。和蒙特利尔的情况相反，我觉得在温哥华，华人是最受欢迎的人，这是由于华人的经济市里带来的，所以不存在什么讨好洋人的心理。我和我的很多朋友以自己是中国人而骄傲、自豪，我还要这样教育我的孩子们。所以，在我指出一些新来的同胞的缺点的时候，不要总用类似的想法来屏蔽自己。多反省自己才是最关键的。

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windstar · 发表于 2004-2-29 10:31

谢谢popcorn2002 摘掉我头上的帽子，你用这样的口气和我说话，我才相信是人家想看你的文件而不是你想看人家的文件，我也才相信你其实也是新移民。
我是学工的，写不好，但我一直想说一句话，就是“出国以后才知道”，留洋、华侨、海外华人、黑人、阿拉伯人、白人、自由民主社会等，每个人因经历的不同，而看法不同，每个人因自己的处境地位不同而导致行为的不同，白人也一样，所以，我一看到有人说：“中国人讲话大声、没修养、厨房不干净等等”，说了几千编了。我就跳出来了。

white rabbit · 发表于 2004-2-29 11:30

楼主的出发点很好,鸟的观点我很同意.我觉得我们新移民在这里最重要的是定位,不要把自己定的太高,如何在加拿大找到自己的一席之地,第一代移民是很艰难的,许多国人正因为对自己和加拿大期望太高,找不到自己的位置,而走许多弯路.我们要明白我们为何要来到加拿大,要准备付出多大的努力得到自己想要的生活.我反正喜欢这里-我的伽南地.

frank11 · 发表于 2004-2-29 13:41

我只发过一个贴，可能楼主没看懂。我不想直接批评某人某事。因为我没看到真相，再说看到了也不一定是真相。我只想和各位讲，无论你抱负多大，在国内如何如何，你到了这里首先要接受这里的文化，去吸取这里文化的精华，POSITIVE地看问题，处理问题。我可以说，这对你找工作很重要，面试时人家就能判别你是不是POSITIVE。中国人在国内经历了太多的不顺，加上那样的制度和人文环境，很多人是NEGASTIVE的，这有时时刻上了烙印，改也改不了的。比如面试时人家会问你这个你懂不懂，你没学过，当然不懂，那么你就说NO，这就很NEGATIVE，你说懂，那是撒谎，正确的说法是“我学到过这方面的知识，懂得它的原理，我在某某方面的背景和经验会帮助我很快了解和掌握这方面的知识，我相信我的能力。”人家并不指望你什么都懂，而是看你POSITIVE不？处理生活中的问题也是。当然这只是往好的方面看问题，有些人天生很NEGATIVE，老外也有，那就算做对牛谈琴。

frank11 · 发表于 2004-2-29 14:10

另外温哥华文化和魁北克文化是两类不同的文化,温哥华华人文化已算主流之一,你在机场可以看到中文等,不一一列举了.温哥华文化不是加拿大主流文化,有关主流文化的讨论请看你说我说里一贴.祥细请到图书馆参看大百科全书温哥华一章.我贴上QUEBEC一章供你参考.

Cultural life
In many ways, Quebec is a smaller plural society within the larger pluralism of Canada: that is to say, it is nearly as difficult to define the cultural identity of Quebec society as it is to define that of Canada as a whole. Although a minimum of overall linguistic identity does exist in French Canadian life in Quebec, there are also many cultural differences between its French-speaking groups in east Montreal and similar groups in such smaller centres as Abitibi, Lac-Saint-Jean, Gaspé, or the Eastern Townships. Regional variations heightened by immigration have produced a sociocultural fragmentation that in part explains the differences in political votes, religious behaviour, and even the quality in the use of the French language. Furthermore, there are class–cultural differences and a strong elitist tradition explaining the high social status of such professions as medicine, law, the clergy, and business management. Even the new middle class of French Canada, which has appeared since the development of urban industrial society, is more politically aggressive in Montreal than in Quebec city, for the obvious reason that in Montreal their socioeconomic status is most difficult. Because of the cultural variations within Quebec, it is often difficult and sometimes impossible to obtain unanimity in political decisions that touch cultural or educational questions.

While claims of a unique French-speaking culture, based on certain traditions brought from France, go back to the 19th century, a debate exists as to the exact nature of Quebec's cultural identity beyond the simple fact of dominant use of the French language. In many ways cultural values have been called up in an attempt to create a distinctive society. This is reflected in the government's fostering of a “Quebec” national culture, which was largely nonexistent when French-speaking Québécois used to call themselves French Canadians. Cultural values have thus been a sign of political identity as much as, or more than, the expression of long tradition.

To ensure the continuation of this Québécois identity, the Quebec government has created a number of institutions aimed at fostering cultural life. Foremost among these institutions is the Ministry of Cultural Affairs, which is responsible for improving the quality of the language used and for stimulating cultural, literary, and other artistic activities. Created in 1961, it was the first of its kind in North America. It not only gives direct financial aid to such state cultural bodies as museums and helps more than 60 theatrical, ballet, and musical companies, but it also has contributed for a number of years to book publishing and to public libraries for book buying. One of the major responsibilities of the department is to develop cultural links with other French-speaking countries. Another of its activities has been the development of regional cultural centres within Quebec to foster regional cultural life. Another institution created by the Quebec government in its efforts to stimulate French-language cultural development is Radio-Québec, founded in 1968 to develop cultural and educational programs. In 1969 its scope was broadened to take in television as well, and it was renamed Quebec Broadcasting Bureau. Radio-Canada and the TVA Network also broadcast in French as well as English. There are French- and English-language daily newspapers, the French-language papers being more numerous by far. The largest dailies of both languages are published in Montreal.

Besides the official cultural institutions, Quebec possesses an extremely large number of private artistic organizations, ranging from theatre companies to filmmaking. The most spectacular cultural development in Quebec, however, has been that of the chansonniers, who represent a cross between poets and songwriters. Their popularity, especially among the younger generation, arises from the fact that their songs reflect the present search for cultural and political identity. The chansonniers are involved frequently in political activities and are identified largely with the nationalist movement. Music and painting also share in this artistic revival, as does literature.

再比如讲到Nova Scotia的文化就不算主流(MAINSTREAM主要指欧洲白人文化)但由于现代科学技术的发展使Nova Scotia接近主流文化.

鸟的观点和当初华人先辈发展中国城的出发点是类似的.但请你记住,当选加国议员的华人身上代表的还是华人文化吗?也就是说,在这里不是强调中华文化,而是积极融入当地文化.在魁北克中国人争取和在温哥华一样华人地位目前只是少数中国移民的一厢情愿,也可以说是他对当地文化还处于初次接触阶段.
Cultural life
Its geographic position has kept Nova Scotia somewhat removed from the mainstream of Canadian life, centred in Ontario and Quebec. The improvement of transportation, however, and the growing impact of the nationwide communications media have brought the province closer to the mainstream, enhancing a modern life-style in the province and eroding some features of traditional Nova Scotian life. Nevertheless many areas of the mainland peninsula and of Cape Breton Island retain an unretouched image of the past.

Scottish culture is particularly vigorous in Nova Scotia. Pictou county alone has several bagpipe bands, while St. Francis Xavier University offers courses in Celtic studies, and the Gaelic College in St. Ann's, Cape Breton, fosters piping, singing, dancing, and handicrafts. Clan gatherings take place annually at the Gaelic College to celebrate the Gaelic Mod, a festival of Highland folk arts. Each summer individual and community arts are taught at Tatamagouche, and an Acadian festival is held at Clare. Other popular attractions include the annual Nova Scotia Military Tattoo and the Atlantic Winter Fair.

The Neptune Theatre and the Art Gallery of Nova Scotia are major cultural assets. Halifax is the centre of repertory drama, and the universities have their own theatre productions. Resident and visiting painters work in such south shore communities as Mahone Bay, Lunenburg, and Peggy's Cove. Woodcarving, pottery making, hooking, and weaving are also pursued.

Impressive historic sites include the restored fortress of Louisbourg, Champlain's habitation at Port Royal, and the Halifax citadel. Also of interest are the Breton Highlands National Park and the Alexander Graham Bell National Historic Park and a museum at Baddeck and the Grand Pré memorial in the Annapolis Valley. Provincial parks are under continual development, and accommodations and recreational facilities are increasing.

frank11 · 发表于 2004-2-29 14:22

温哥华只是一个扩大了的中国城,有些事和人比在大陆还黑.在蒙特利尔中国城打过工的大陆移民都知道中国城文化的黑暗(我指它为china town culture 而不是chinese culture)

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