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加拿大几个大城市的比较,到底哪个城市更适合

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发表于 2007-1-6 01:53 | 只看该作者

难是肯定的

首先,技术移民都在国内完成的学业,系统地接受了国内超过16年的教育.除了专业以外,我们还学习了中国的文化,历史,以及世界观.而且,我们受教育的时 间,正好是人生中最重要的成长阶段.正如我们绝大部分人说英语永远比不上中文一样,中国文化对我们的影响可以说根深蒂固,即使身在海外,这种文化底蕴仍然 可以超过周围环境对我们的影响.
==> 融入难的原因一

我在温哥华时,承蒙亲戚的照顾,接触的移民基本上都是投资移民,除了大陆的,还有港台的,既有国内知名企业的老总,也有台湾来的立法委员.在和这些人接触 的过程中,我没有看到他们有融入本地社会的这种渴望.
==>为什么?个人以为一个原因是他们这个层面的人整体英语不够。还有一个原因是他们也不熟悉加拿大社会的运作体系。能赚钱的忙得没太多时间考虑融入的问题。个人力量也有限。

虽然他们绝对的衣食无忧,家大业大,但是他们的生活圈子其实很小,还是华人的圈子,认识新朋友最多也 就是去去教会而已...每次有华人社团捐款,他们会慷慨解囊,但是他们自己很少主动去参与或者组织这样那样的社团活动.
==> 我想这已经是相当程度上的融入了。作为个人,能这样就很不错了。
华人有相当部分人希望团结。但缺乏整体的默契。少部分人往往是孤掌难鸣。而谈到组织,就要问了:谁来组织?谁想组织?谁能组织?谁敢组织?凭什么由他/她?很多时候,要么是口号大而无当,要么小的难以让人察觉。所以难的是整体的融入。
从另外角度讲,看看这里的讨论就知道了:谁敢出来组织?不被累死,也被烦死


对于这样的一群人来说,他们喜欢加 拿大的宁静,安定,而且加拿大在法律制度上很健全,也给这些人以保障,所以他们没有兴趣去融入当地的社会...
==>不是没有兴趣,实在是有难度。

在蒙特利尔,大部分国内来的移民和我一样,求学深造,然后是求职养家.技术移民的生活是艰辛的,大多数人都有体会.而且这个群落除了落差感以外,最能体会 到社会上的一些不公平,加上生活的压力,我想很多人也没有融入本地社会的欲望,恐怕大家最关心的还是工作、房子、车子...
我现在接触的华人朋友,绝大部分个人收入、家庭收入都超过了加拿大平均水平。但是,很少或者说没有人去关心加拿大的政治体制、法律等。大家在一起,讨论最 多的还是房子、车子、投资、孩子等话题,似乎所谓的主流社会就根本不存在一样。我们在这样一种环境中从不觉得这个社会需要我们去改变点什么,因为我们根本 就不了解这个国度,也不知道我们能为当地的社区做些什么(交税、捐款除外)
==>也许工作以后,体会到另外一种融入难度。能胜任工作是一回事,能和老外打成一片是一回事。

还是我说的,融入当地社会,还是看我们的下一代吧,他们才是在加拿大文化下成长起来的,他们知道这个社会需要什么,他们才知道怎么去更好的为这个社会做些什么...
==>孩子这一代是感受到幸福还是痛苦,很难说。他/她们的幸福未必符合我们的价值标准,反之也一样。

华人中学政治,经济,法律,文化的比搞技术的更难被当地社会接纳,他们的价值也容易被华人社区本身忽略。他们如果得到支持,倒是有可能促进整体的融入。
[url=\"http://www.jobspace.info/bbs/index.php\"]加联华开源乐业空间[/url] & [url=\"http://www.jobspace.info\"]www.jobspace.info [/url] 我们因团结互助而共同进步,是为共赢。
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发表于 2007-1-6 01:58 | 只看该作者

蒲公英生活社区(卡尔加里)

Post by stnz
2, 你贴子里提到过HR的三个月training, 跟 P.ENG 关吗? 有没有website link?

http://www.flywithwind.com/calgary/ 蒲公英生活社区(卡尔加里)
[url=\"http://www.jobspace.info/bbs/index.php\"]加联华开源乐业空间[/url] & [url=\"http://www.jobspace.info\"]www.jobspace.info [/url] 我们因团结互助而共同进步,是为共赢。
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发表于 2007-1-6 02:06 | 只看该作者

Ding

---我在温哥华时,承蒙亲戚的照顾,接触的移民基本上都是投资移民,除了大陆的,还有港台的,既有国内知名企业的老总,也有台湾来的立法委员.在和这些人接触 的过程中,我没有看到他们有融入本地社会的这种渴望.
==>为什么?个人以为一个原因是他们这个层面的人整体英语不够。还有一个原因是他们也不熟悉加拿大社会的运作体系。能赚钱的忙得没太多时间考虑融入的问题。个人力量也有限。
不单是英语的问题, 更深层的是文化, 文化是沉淀的, 语言是可速成的. 比如, 从来没出过远门的"纯正"上海人和北京人是有冲突的!

从另外角度讲,看看这里的讨论就知道了:谁敢出来组织?不被累死,也被烦死
Agree!!!!!!!!

还是我说的,融入当地社会,还是看我们的下一代吧,他们才是在加拿大文化下成长起来的,他们知道这个社会需要什么,他们才知道怎么去更好的为这个社会做些什么...
==>孩子这一代是感受到幸福还是痛苦,很难说。他/她们的幸福未必符合我们的价值标准,反之也一样。
Agree!!!!!!!!
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发表于 2007-1-6 02:12 | 只看该作者

加联华,

谢谢!

我怎么就没找到 HR Taing @
http://www.flywithwind.com/calgary/ 蒲公英生活社区(卡尔加里)

有没有更详细的link?

谢谢!
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发表于 2007-1-6 02:22 | 只看该作者

加联华,

谢谢!

我怎么就没找到 HR Taing @
http://www.flywithwind.com/calgary/ 蒲公英生活社区(卡尔加里)

有没有更详细的link?

谢谢!
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发表于 2007-1-6 02:28 | 只看该作者

加联华,

谢谢!

我怎么就没找到 HR Taing @
http://www.flywithwind.com/calgary/ 蒲公英生活社区(卡尔加里)

有没有更详细的link?

谢谢!
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发表于 2007-1-6 03:06 | 只看该作者

加西中文网

Post by STNZMTL

有没有更详细的link?

www.calgarychinese.com with BBS is also pretty informative.

To 2005:

I am not trying to take over what you are doing(sharing) here. Instead, I would like save you time so that you can share more interesting & useful info here. Your info is useful for me also.

BTW, I am now in Vancouver and have never been in Calgary. Some friends in Calgary strongly encouraged me to move to Calgary even 2 years ago. It seems it is still hot there, but may not be that much as 2 months ago. Few big companies are slowing down in hiring new people.
[url=\"http://www.jobspace.info/bbs/index.php\"]加联华开源乐业空间[/url] & [url=\"http://www.jobspace.info\"]www.jobspace.info [/url] 我们因团结互助而共同进步,是为共赢。
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发表于 2007-1-6 14:03 | 只看该作者

Little more comment.

2005:

Oh, my God, it is such a big subject to talk about. It takes days to express my opinion about this. This subject will lead to talking about our Chinese( bin xin ) again deep down in the bones and the value system of our culture which has been molding Chinese as we have been...Let me try in a simpler way to express my ideas:

1. Chinese have been crippled (psychologically & physically as well comparing to
many other advanced nations))over the long histroy. They have been deprived
of the ability to think and to believe first of all. You say that they do not have
the ability to merge into this society, NOT because they miss money, it is really
because there is no course ( or reason ) for them to do so. They do not know
where to go, so why they should join the group to go anywhere? So Chinese
are just On-Lookers all the time from the history...

2. Again,To have a course to live for and fight for HAS NOTHING TO DO with being
rich or poor. You may think deep in your heart that these rich and important
people whom you know should merged better and do more for a course, but
what you see, as you have said, has disappointed you. What these people
have done is just Made-Quite-Some MONEY! It is very TRUE that if one has no
money, it is very difficult to acheive things, but NOT necessarily though. Here I
understand why you only saw what these rich and important people are doing,
because you take it very granted that poor & unimportant people can achieve
nothing, therefore you do not even mention them.

I'd like to let you know that you should not be disappointed by the
behaviours of these people. Being rich or important has REALLY nothing to do
with having a meaning to live for. You yourself have just helped me prove this
point by giving a very good example. N'est pas?

3. Having no interest to merge... I think most of us have lost the interest not only
for a course, but the ability to be a happy humanbeing! What they know
meaningful is probably MAKING-MONEY! Like you have mentioned in one of your
earlier messages( is it you? ) that one mother in Vancouver has been forcing
her daughter to get 90% in her studies....If you have less diplomas, you will
feel ashamed to lift up your eyes... My God! Jusus! What do these people
( mother )want? Yes I know what they want: to be Ren Shang Ren when their
kids grow up! I deeply believe that it is not their fault. The Kings and Queens in
the history, the one goverment always, the parents, etc, simple, the people in
power as mentioned above have been wanting to keep the power in their
hands!!!Let's stop talking about the type of govenment that has ruined
Chinese, look at how our parents have treated their kids and how we are
STILL treating our kids!!WHat all they wanted to do is the try their best to
keep the power in their hands and always wanting to have the respect from
those whom they govern. They do not win the respect, they just want it by
forming people into what they wanted you to be and manipulating people to
give always what they wanted. Don't try to fight on this point yet, hold on a
minute, just think what I said!

Chinese have been crippled and manipulated toooooo long, so long that they
have really and long lost the ability to be HAPPY humanbeings! They are so
unhappy and so worried back in China and STILL, they are so unhappy and so
worried even here. Maybe Chinese is a nation who can never be happy
anywhere!?

4. Another reason not to have interest to merge: unable to let go! To let go
what? To let go the suspect that everybody has in mind about other people
taking advantage of us! First, to be taken advantage is a good thing. It means
that we are useful. It is great that we can be useful. Let people take
advantage of us, we take advantage of other people as well. We take
advantage of each other in the society, n'est pas? What is the peoblem?BUT,
BUT, the stupid thing is: smart people who are rich in heart will share and they
will have more in the end, but the stupid people who have nothing already has
NOTHING but suspetion. We have to understand VERY WELL, suspetion is a
deadly killer. It kills all the possibilities in life? In the Bible, it says: for he who
has, he will have more, for he who doesn't have, what he has will be lost. I am
not preaching, but I understand what this phrase means as its gist.

5. Just look over the history, if we understand how the Chinese, our ancestors
have survived their pethetic little lives and how they have been educating their
generations after generations BASICALLY the same thing, then we understand
why they do not have interest to merge.

It is very sad to notice all the time that when Chinese are poor, they feel
ashamed and Di REN YI DENG, when they get rich, they are all the time
worried that other people will take advantage of them and take away their
wealth! AND many will even become ZHI GAO QI YANG and looking down on the people who have no money and even QI FU those who have no money and no power ( I do not think it is necessary to give examples )! I wonder when Chinese can realize that Chinese themselves are the one kind of people in the world who has the most predudices against tons of things!!Just one simple little example: often hear Chinese call the earlier immigrants Foreigners! Maybe it is JUST a habit, but it is so stupidly funny.

To summarize: We know why we are here. I know why I am here. I am here not for money. Because I know many Chinese believe that YOU QIAN NENG SHI GUI DUI MO ( if you believe it, it will work in the way you believed for sure ). But I do not believe this should be in my life! So I have Chosen a place, a country where my belief can meet with many others'( at least I HAVE the RIGHT to choose! ) and a country in which I see kindness and support and true happiness & joie for LIFE ITSELF!

Beautiful Life ( SHENG MIN )itself for us and our kids, isn't it a course to merge for?

Sence if justice, isn't it a course for us to merge for?

Learning to enjoy life and laugh and be happy, isn't it a course for us to merge for?

If these rich aquiantance fo yours have no interest in doing do, then they are just equals to dead people.

Our bodies are just bodies, it is the spirits who make us alive.

Money are just money, it is meaningful and useful when we use them for things good!

Sorry, too long. Let's call it a day!

Thank you for your patience. Remember, I am not criticizing anybody. Sincerely hope that everyone will do better in this better environment ( we want to change, we can change. That is why I can not get it when people compalined about China when they were in China, and complain about Canada when they are here. I just don't think it is smart to do that). If I have said anything that doesn't suit you or some readers, please don't mind. I don't mean anything bad about you or anybody!

Have a nice day!



我在温哥华时,承蒙亲戚的照顾,接触的移民基本上都是投资移民,除了大陆的,还有港台的,既有国内知名企业的老总,也有台湾来的立法委员.在和这些人接触 的过程中,我没有看到他们有融入本地社会的这种渴望.虽然他们绝对的衣食无忧,家大业大,但是他们的生活圈子其实很小,还是华人的圈子,认识新朋友最多也 就是去去教会而已...每次有华人社团捐款,他们会慷慨解囊,但是他们自己很少主动去参与或者组织这样那样的社团活动.对于这样的一群人来说,他们喜欢加 拿大的宁静,安定,而且加拿大在法律制度上很健全,也给这些人以保障,所以他们没有兴趣去融入当地的社会...
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发表于 2007-1-6 14:57 | 只看该作者
加联华, 要是打算来卡尔加利,最好先看看情况再下决定.
新年前后,我就开始听说有同学所在的公司项目已经不多. 新年开市才三天时间,石油价格被打得一塌糊涂,最近我都不太敢给同学打电话了,工作上的事情更是不太敢问,听说有的consulting公司已经开始裁人 了。卡尔加利的经济,对石油的依赖太大,现在石油价格何去何从,看来要等几个月才能明确。如果你想来,等这个局势稍微明朗一点再过来不迟。而且目前本地房 价是个敏感话题,卡城的华人网站上一天到晚都在为房子吵架,租房子现在也比较困难,希望过一段时间能缓解这个问题。
阿尔伯塔省主要是采油,好像没听说有炼油厂。石油公司目前最缺乏的是技术工人,但是在现场工作是比较辛苦的。我朋友在石油公司是做project management,石油专业方面的就业情况我试着问问他...或者你问问其他写帖子的朋友,不是有人在搞管道么?
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发表于 2007-1-6 15:05 | 只看该作者
阿尔伯塔省的专业工程师协会叫APEGGA,网站是:www.apegga.ca
我在加拿大的专业经验不到一年,所以准备现在开始申请,听说评估的时间不短,等我的申请评估下来,估计我的专业经验也达到一年了。至于需要什么样的课程, 评审委员会将会通知你,有朋友直接考了个工程师的职业操守就过关,而有人则要去UC上几门课。具体过程慢慢在交流吧...
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