xiaodoudou

I just wonder when Chinese can realize that since they are in Canada, they are canadians or going to be Canadians. Canada is an immigrant country. It is composed of nations over the history. Why Chinese have to fight over the identity EVEN here in Canada? I beieve that when they were in China, they would kill to leave China, but when they are here, it seems that quite some of them would kill to keep their Chinese Identity. Isn't it bizard?What they should do is to merge into this country by becoming Canadians, only that they are Canadian -Chinese. They should not worry too much about not being Chinese here. They have Chinese culture inside( not really because they look Chinese). I think it takes decades or centuries to forget or change some negative marks that Chinese bear by being Chinese, yet it takes a great effort to keep the positive side as well. I believe the next generation will be better, merged better, but they will definately lose the negative marks while losing some positive things from the Chinese Culture.

I am a Chinese. I have't used WE to include me, because I have a purpose. I am here in Canada ( 7 years ). I love China and Chinese, but I love this country which I chose 7 years ago as well. I respect my choice and the country I chose no matter what(being poor or rich has nothing to do with this matter)!

I think people from other nations are welcome to this website as well.


这里是中国人的网站，欢迎大家使用自己的母语来交流信息。至于那些长着中国脸，说着中国话，却不把自己当中国人不要打扰我们在这里信息交流。大家有兴趣可 以查查我写的帖子，再看看这位什么q2006c的，连给白求恩大夫献花，这个不知道那冒出来货都能大放厥词，谩骂一番，这样的人，配在这里说话么？
蒙城怪物真是不少：2003年有个happymontrea, 接着冒出个sunshine(神棍），现在又冒出几个反华的...[/QUOTE]

2005

To小豆豆：
你所说的都是很实际的，这也是很多人经常谈论的话题。
正如你所说，中国从改革开放起，就不断有人出来，甚至发展到不择手段而出国...每个选择出国的中国移民其根本目标是寻求更多的机会，得到更好的生活。加 拿大作为移民国家，在接受多元文化，普遍尊重各民族方面的确做得很好。然而，在平等就业，平等使用社会资源方面，加拿大还存在很大的不足。我们技术移民出 国，中国文凭加拿大政府是承认的，但是雇主不承认，我们的文凭基本上成了废纸。除此之外，专业技能和专业经验都没有用武之地...相当一部分技术移民连基 本生活都没有保障，何谈去融入社会啊？
蒙特利尔世界跳水锦标赛期间，电视台有一次采访了一对老夫妻，他们是东欧来的（好像是匈牙利？），当记者问他们为什么来，他们说来看匈牙利的比赛。当记者 问到如果匈牙利和加拿大比赛，你们希望谁赢？老头很尴尬，说了句：“This is a good question."
加拿大作为一个只有短短不到200年历史的国家，现在还没有形成一种很强烈的国家和民族意识（尤其在移民来的公民之中）。本地人觉得外来移民不够忠诚，而 外来移民觉得本地人对外来者不够公平，最好的解决办法就是相安无事，于是一个个由不同种族组成的社团形成了一个个的社区游离在主流社会之外...整个社会 在法律的框架下处于安定、和谐的状态之中。这种现象我想在很长时间内不太容易改变，可能直到这些移民的孩子们都成长起来，也许会有所改善吧

jimmyzou

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http://www.mls.ca/map.aspx?AreaID=766
这是个买房网站，现在用不到上面的买房信息，就用上面的地图，这个地图比较简洁．

华人常说的南岸，就是地图上Montérégie-Sud这地方，Montérégie已经不在大Montréal地区了，华人不是很集中，华人多集中在岛内，而且只限于地铁线附近，也就是地图上Montréal-Centre de l'Île这一块，各国的新移民基本都在这里，刚来没有车，不能住在其他地方，而且刚来孩子要上欢迎班，移民不集中的地方，学校没有欢迎班，除了你的孩子在国内已把法语学的差不多了，否则入学很困难，新移民第一年一定要住在这里的，第二年根据情况再考虑一下．

岛东面这块，图上的Montréal-Est de l'Île，是法裔人和法语国家的移民集中的地方，华人很少，岛西面这块，图上的Montréal-Ouest de l'Île，也就是华人常说的西岛，是英裔人和英语国家的移民集中的地方，华人渐渐从市中心向西移动，Verdun已经是华人比较集中的地方，但那里的学校很差，Verdun往西是LaSalle，这是华人也不少了，而且这里学校很好，再往西是Lachine，已经算是西岛了，这里的学校，据说不仅是全蒙特利尔，而是全魁北克最好的．

我现在住在Lachine，可能看问题会有一定偏见．

请问Demand，能不能介绍一下Quebec city的情况，我现在在温哥华，准备搬过去，比较喜欢小点的城市，不知道那边的学校情况和就业情况怎么样？

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太过分了把

  

9494, :p nodnod:p






Why Chinese have to fight over the identity EVEN here in Canada?


because their 黄皮肤.




What they should do is to merge into this country by becoming Canadians,


dont worry , when they have 实权, everything is OK.
without political merge, no real merge.



I think it takes decades or centuries to forget or change some negative marks that Chinese bear by being Chinese,
I am a Chinese. I have't used WE to include me, because I have a purpose.


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I think people from other nations are welcome to this website as well.


looking for girlfriends(maybe wife)?or setting a new branch of the church?most guys here have no right for polls, I guess.


by the way, the former mayor in calgary married a chinese lady.

IRCM

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请问Demand，能不能介绍一下Quebec city的情况，我现在在温哥华，准备搬过去，比较喜欢小点的城市，不知道那边的学校情况和就业情况怎么样？

NOT ALL SMALL ARE GOOD, ANYWAY, DO NOT GO TO THE SMALL TOWN WHERE CHINESE ARE THREATENED DUE TO THE DOG STORY, DO MORE RESEARCHES.

QUEBEC CITY IS A TRAVEL ZONE, SOME CHINESE OWE RESTRAUNTS AND MOTELS THERE, LAVAL UNIVERSITY IS THERE, FASTER TO GET A POSITION TO STUDY FREE FRENCH.
JOB CHANCES ARE FEW WHILE APPLICANTS ARE FEW.
COLDER THAN MONTREAL.

2005

马小宝, 你别太紧张啊,哈哈
蒙特利尔是个浪漫的地方,只可惜我在蒙城失去的太多,现在想做的,无非是留下点美好的记忆,冲淡那些不愉快...说句不太谦虚的话,找女朋友对我来说不是什么很困难的事情,虽然我离过婚...我是不会和小宝兄弟抢蒙城的市场的
祝愿有情人终成眷属

xiaodoudou

2005:

Thanks for your exchange of opinions. You talk very nicely. I'd like to share my opinions with you on the point that you talked about in the quoted paragraph.

I agree with you and I do not agree with you. I think we usually judge something based on a comparative reference, we do not judge something based on an absolute ideal standard which doesn't exist. Canada is not doing too bad if we compare the same matter with other countries. We say it takes time,energy & wisdom for us new immigrants to merge into the society, equally it takes time, energy and wisdom for Canada to adapt herself to welcome people like us who don't understand much how this society functions, who dont' even speak their language and who have to rely on the local taxes payers ( earlier immigrants) for this procedure of merging. For me, I think they have done good enough and they are trying to do better even, I believe.

It is very natural that our diploms are not well recognized. It will not be difficult to understand if we see that the society is functioning because of the big and small businesses. The government is only there to provide its support, service and maybe guidance for these enterprises. For the enterprises, if the individual is not having the abilities to WELL mixe and function as well as the main part of functioning group, he/she will simple NOT be recognized and accepted as the main part. We should forget WELL our glorious history in China ( I know well that everybody was somebody back in Chna) and try to understand what is going on HERE! We should get out of our little home, little circle and our PAST and study, work hard, laugh and ENJOY life that is ever so beautiful JUST this moment here in Canada! We should really stop pitying ourselves about how great we were and how bad it was not to be recognized and complain that we can not merge into this society if we do not have 50k. I really do not believe that. We may not have as much money as we wished, but it takes only 3 meals( even 2, I often eat twice a day ) and one bed to enjoy the colourful cultures and kindness. I believe that the air we breathe is really the same as for those who have jobs with 50k or above, wheather to be happy or not, it is up to us. If we do not take this country as our own country,  for sure we are feeling like living under other people's roof. Isn't it simple like that? I say that if we can not merge into Canada where there are the simpliest, the kindest and very lovely people in the world, then we can really fit in no where! I say that we should be kids, smart kids who stop wanning and complaining and go out there and WIN our wonderful new complex identity! If  one way doesn't work out, keep trying another, another and another. There is a french saying that only stupid people don't change minds. The old ways don't work well anymore, it doesn't matter. Learning is a life-long procedure, so take it easy. Start really get to know about life itself here instead of setting ourselves a target for us to reach within a certain period. Take time to get to know about life. Once we start to know the real life here ( we are NOT here only to make money, aren't we?) and start enjoying life, THEN we see light above our heads. I just wonder how many of us ( not only Chinese ) overload our heads and overworry our minds for petty things that really don't lead to the essence of life and the happiness. Yes, money is important, but here, thank God,we have the basic suplies. We should keep our heads clear and minds calm that it will only be temporary!

Tell people to be happy and satisfied for the things we enjoy now and today. The happiness and joe will turn magically into enormaous energy that will for sure bring us more hapiness and success in our lives!

So, sorry to be long and thanks for your patience and kindness!

Happy New Year and best regards to 2005!

Xiaodoudou

[QUOTE=2005]To小豆豆：
然而，在平等就业，平等使用社会资源方面，加拿大还存在很大的不足。我们技术移民出 国，中国文凭加拿大政府是承认的，但是雇主不承认，我们的文凭基本上成了废纸。除此之外，专业技能和专业经验都没有用武之地...相当一部分技术移民连基 本生活都没有保障，何谈去融入社会啊？

2005

谢谢你,小豆豆
我想借着你的这个话题,顺带也谈谈我在加拿大几个城市的感受,免得跑题.
融入主流社会,这个话题由来已久.在温哥华的华人电视节目中,曾经好多次听到关于这方面的话题.但是,这句话说起来很容易,做起来很难.
首先,技术移民都在国内完成的学业,系统地接受了国内超过16年的教育.除了专业以外,我们还学习了中国的文化,历史,以及世界观.而且,我们受教育的时 间,正好是人生中最重要的成长阶段.正如我们绝大部分人说英语永远比不上中文一样,中国文化对我们的影响可以说根深蒂固,即使身在海外,这种文化底蕴仍然 可以超过周围环境对我们的影响.
我在温哥华时,承蒙亲戚的照顾,接触的移民基本上都是投资移民,除了大陆的,还有港台的,既有国内知名企业的老总,也有台湾来的立法委员.在和这些人接触 的过程中,我没有看到他们有融入本地社会的这种渴望.虽然他们绝对的衣食无忧,家大业大,但是他们的生活圈子其实很小,还是华人的圈子,认识新朋友最多也 就是去去教会而已...每次有华人社团捐款,他们会慷慨解囊,但是他们自己很少主动去参与或者组织这样那样的社团活动.对于这样的一群人来说,他们喜欢加 拿大的宁静,安定,而且加拿大在法律制度上很健全,也给这些人以保障,所以他们没有兴趣去融入当地的社会...
在蒙特利尔,大部分国内来的移民和我一样,求学深造,然后是求职养家.技术移民的生活是艰辛的,大多数人都有体会.而且这个群落除了落差感以外,最能体会 到社会上的一些不公平,加上生活的压力,我想很多人也没有融入本地社会的欲望,恐怕大家最关心的还是工作、房子、车子．．．
我现在接触的华人朋友，绝大部分个人收入、家庭收入都超过了加拿大平均水平。但是，很少或者说没有人去关心加拿大的政治体制、法律等。大家在一起，讨论最 多的还是房子、车子、投资、孩子等话题，似乎所谓的主流社会就根本不存在一样。我们在这样一种环境中从不觉得这个社会需要我们去改变点什么，因为我们根本 就不了解这个国度，也不知道我们能为当地的社区做些什么（交税、捐款除外）
还是我说的，融入当地社会，还是看我们的下一代吧，他们才是在加拿大文化下成长起来的，他们知道这个社会需要什么，他们才知道怎么去更好的为这个社会做些什么．．．

stnz

To 2005,

我觉得不到2005的贴子只是想分享信息, 确有人不太厚道的"指责".

2005 is nice, but some guys are rude, anyway thanks 2005's infor about Calgary. i m in MTL now, i m thinking about moving to Calgary.

我从Toronto 搬来MTL, 曾在两地做过专业工作和labour, 我的感觉:Toronto 的local white 要比MTL 的white 厚道, 在montreal感觉到法裔那种莫名其妙奇妙的优越感, 很不舒服. 不懂上海话又特喜欢听身边两个上海人大声喧哗的人可能不在呼.

MTL的双语: 在MTL西部以外的地方, 法裔不讲也不怎么会英语.

stnz

2005,

你这一贴让人觉得: 现在的问题是怎么把票子花掉去enjoy...在MTL想得是工作...你已上了一层楼了, 恭喜!

猜你的工作跟石油有关, 我想找Piping Design 类的工作, 请教几个问题:

1, Calgary的公司主要是"采油" 还是"炼油"?
2, 你贴子里提到过HR的三个月training, 跟 P.ENG 关吗? 有没有website link?

谢谢!

圣诞节当天，我和一个从油田刚回来的朋友去DT逛街，满大街空荡荡的，从来没有见到过一个如此安静的城市。如果不是还有华人的超市和餐馆开门的话，我和他估计要饿一天肚子…所以说，这世上没有什么事情能完全如人所愿。就算蒙特利尔再穷，节日里照样有欢歌笑语；就算卡尔加里再繁华，也一样有落寞孤单的一群[/QUOTE]