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华人在加拿大有过苦难史吗?加拿大从来没有欠华人什么!

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发表于 2009-7-30 18:25 | 只看该作者
这个世界还是白人的世界.
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发表于 2009-7-30 22:00 | 只看该作者
婦權,黑人人權也是近數十年才有的事.
現在中國大陸的人也沒投票權,有權勢的人,公安城管打殺市民時有所聞,怎麼一當我提出不平時,就被人罵是輪子?難道以前的中國人才是人,現在的中國人不是人?
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发表于 2009-7-31 12:26 | 只看该作者
也不是所有的白人,老布什的儿子可以酒后驾车,逃兵役,智商低照样作总统,普通白人的孩子就捐躯战场
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这个世界还是白人的世界.
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发表于 2009-7-31 14:31 | 只看该作者

我们不能不尊重老移民的意见和他们所受的苦难。 We can not support don’t respect

对于最早来加拿大的广东劳工在修筑铁路时期所付出的艰苦努力和代价,和他们所得到的报酬相比,他们做出的牺牲是巨大的。我们不应该无视这个事实的存在。对于没有亲身参加那个工作的人来说,我们不知道他们的亲身感受。
  
For the hard works and costs paid by the first Guangdong workers during the period of the construction of railways in Canada, are enormous of the sacrifices compared with what they obtained. We should not ignore the existence of this fact. Those who have not personally participated in the work of the people, we do not know their personal experiences.

   
  那段历史录象我也看了,知道了那段历史,也看到修建了一座纪念碑,以纪念那些付出生命的同胞。
  
History video I watched and got to know of the history, but also see a monument built to commemorate those who pay their lives of our compatriots.

  

  但是很遗憾的是,那些早期劳工工作在没有什么安全保护的危险和恶劣的环境中,他们竟然没有争取足够的防护以改善他们的待遇,确实是有些不可思议的。
  Unfortunately, those who worked as early labors there has been the risk of no security and a deteriorating environment, but did not require to obtain sufficient protection in order to improve their treatment, some really incredible.
   
  同时我也看到加拿大政府官员的正式道歉声明。大家也应该都看到了。何况也给了赔偿。精神上和物质上都有了回报。不应该再有什么牢骚了。如果还觉得有冤屈,你们还是可以再次向加拿大政府申请赔偿的。何况在中国四川大地震的时候,加拿大政府又给了中国很多的捐款,至少11的允诺我以前没有见到过,我想其他的国家也没有这样的帮助给我们国家。想想这些,你们应该感恩加拿大的。
  At the same time I also saw the Government of Canadian officials, the official statement of apology. Everyone should have seen it. Not to mention also got the compensation. Both spiritually and materially has been paid off. There should no longer be complains of it. If you still feel that there is injustice somehow, you can apply one more time of the compensation to the Government of Canada. Moreover, a major earthquake in China's Sichuan province, the Canadian government gave the Chinese a lot of donations, at least the promise of 1:1 rate I have not seen before, I would like to think other countries do not have this kind of help to our country. Think about these, you should be Thanksgiving to Canada.
   
  当然这些劳工的后人在这个新的国家里获得了好的生活保障,有了满意的生活和成就,社会也认同了他们的贡献,他们通过自己的努力也得到了尊重,这都是值得庆幸和欣喜的成果。
  但是你说人家人五人六的做老华侨光宗耀祖就不对了,难道你到加拿大,不想着以后也能有点成就回家见亲人吗?
  
Of course, the descendants of these labors was then in a good living in this new country, with satisfaction of life and achievements, the community recognition of their contribution, through their own efforts what they have been get respected, it is a good result worth celebrating and gratifying of it.
But you said that those people who brag their achievements to neighborhoods as old overseas Chinese is not a right word, when you come to Canada, do not want you can go home after a little success and see your loved ones?

   
  同样,我们也应看到,其他国家的移民刚来时的境遇也很悲惨,也从事过艰苦的劳动。但是后来他们发展得很好,融合得很好,对社会的贡献和影响都很大,成就也高。我们华人虽然在人数上成为大族,但是在对社区的贡献上与其他的族彝相比,确实是非常少的。我们的声音也过于微弱。(对于大汉天生说资本主义社会不讲贡献的话不赞同,你买东西交的税,工资单上扣的养老保险,以及领取EI时政府发给你的钱都是国家对你的贡献的认可,600名中国二战军人在战争中的出色表现使得加拿大政府改变了歧视的政策,这不也说明了资本主义社会对他们的贡献的认同嘛?)
   
  
Similarly, we should also be aware of those immigrants from other countries at the time of arrival here are also a very tragic situation, they also engaged in hard labor works. However, they have developed very well and very well integrated later on, their contribution to society and the impact of all great achievements are high. Although we have become the big number of Chinese people, but the contribution to the community are very little indeed than other ethnic groups. Our voices are too weak. (For 大汉天生’s saying about contribution that is not a thing in a capitalist society, I do not agree, you buy things to pay the tax, payroll deduction of the old-age insurance, as well as EI recipients of government money is distributed to you for your contribution to the Nation. It’s a way of recognition. 600 Chinese soldiers their outstanding performances in the war of World War II made changes of the discriminatory policy of the Government of Canada, which is also explained that a capitalist society began to recognize the contributions of them?)

   
  华人要从弱小发展强大,需要一个过程。从边缘走向中心需要我们做更多的努力。辉煌不是容易得来的。更多地参与社区建设,参加社会活动,建言,献策,从基础做起,注重提高自身的修养和素质,放开眼界多看别人的优点,多交流沟通而不是谩骂攻击都是加强华人影响力的有力手段。
  
The development of Chinese from small and weak to strong, the need for must will a process. From the edge towards the center we need to do more. Brilliant is not easy to come by. More hope to be involved in community promoting, to participate in social activities, advice, suggestions, start from the very basics, to focus on improving our own self-cultivation and quality of life, an eye-opener to see other people’s advantages rather than the more abusive attacks are all of a powerful tool to strengthen the Chinese influence.  

   
  不过q2006c的观点也有些不对的地方,华人可能没建过医院,学校,但是这里的华人医生也很多,华人办的学校也不少。至于选举不去投票的事我确实还没有去过。因为来的时间不长,主要精力抓紧时间补英法文,各党派的主张还没有时间仔细地了解,所以不肯轻易地选择支持的党派。   
  Q2006c points of view, however, some wrong, the Chinese may not have been built hospitals, schools, but the doctors here are also many Chinese, the Chinese are also quite a number of schools. As for the election do not attend vote, I did not ever do it. Because the time is not enough, pay close attention to focus more time in English and French, and the propositions of political parties also need time to carefully understand, so unwilling to easily choose the support of political parties.
  关于日本的战争问题可以开另一个专题讨论。日本的事还真不了解。
  
With regard to the issue of Japan's war can open the discussion to another topic. Things really do not know of Japanese.

   
  关于哈佛黑教授的观点,也许对7Quebec比较重要,但我主张还是去倾听大多数人的意见,毕竟,现在即使有歧视,还是比以前弱得多。
  
The point of view of Harvard black professor, perhaps more important to 7Quebec, but I stand still to listen to the views of most people, after all, even if there is discrimination now, or much weaker than before.

   
  关于中国现政府的问题,我们以后会去解决。
  
On China's current Government, we will solve the problem later.

   
  关于世事本无对错的观点,提这观点的人基本没有明确的主张,没有自己的观点。如果日本侵略是对的,各国互相乱扔原子弹是对的,贪污腐败是对的,那还有什么说的。
  
About no right or wrong on the world the viewpoint of those who mentioned, there is no clear idea of these people, they do not have their own points of view. If the Japanese invasion was right, the throw atomic bomb to each other is right, corruption is right, what is said.      

      
  关于为什么有人总是不能感受到加拿大的友好,心中有很多怀恨,还是建议他们多和各族人交流,多感受身边人的思想,或是比较好的办法,我们这样的说教用处不大。
  
On why do some people feel Canada is not always friendly, and the hearts of a lot of hatred, or advise them to communicate more with all ethnic groups, more sense the ideas and the feelings around them may be a better way, we do not use this kind of preaching.

   
  总体感觉还是比较赞同David的想法,比较客观地反映出了加拿大政府的付出,另外也注重和其他国家移民的相互比较,但是日本的话题有些敏感,被引向了另一个方向。
  
The overall feeling is quite agree with the idea of David, more objective and reflects the effort of the Government of Canada, also pay attention to immigrants and other comparable countries, but some sensitive of the topic of Japan, which has been leading the other direction.

   
  关于Capitalist引述的约翰罗尔斯的观点,我也基本没看懂,看不出跟主题有什么关系。
  
约翰罗尔斯quoted on the Capitalist point of view, I basically did not understand either, do not see anything to do with the subject.

   
  Tjquebec的逻辑是清晰的,但是加拿大不是西特勒,不是日本那样的万恶不赦,跟他们相比不恰当。你为什么不用你的逻辑也讲述一些加拿大的好处呢?而且你的意见无助于修补加拿大政府和华人族群的关系,没有建设性。  
  
Tjquebec’s logic is clear, but not Hitler, not Japan as Canada the unpardonable sin, compare with them is inappropriate. Why don’t you use your logic to tell some of Canada's good aspects? Your views are no constructive help to repair the relationship between the Government of Canada and the Chinese ethnic.   





Regards,

Alven

31/07/09  
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发表于 2009-7-31 16:48 | 只看该作者
既然都球那么苦了,还跑球过来窜窜?
再说那些真真假假的百年老事到底啥是真的?修铁路的华工到底有多大贡献?以前遇到一些西人年长者,他们也说那个年代他们也很苦
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发表于 2009-7-31 22:10 | 只看该作者
我的老爷爷告诉我,在19零几年的时候,万恶的旧社会,地主恶霸,横行乡里,劳动人民在垂死线上挣扎。他们都想来加拿大当劳工,可是没有海外关系来不了。

那个时期的中国农民,他们比加拿大华工还要苦。
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发表于 2009-8-1 10:03 | 只看该作者
苦不苦,想想红军两万五。
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发表于 2009-8-1 14:58 | 只看该作者
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发表于 2009-8-1 15:03 | 只看该作者
实际上, 大家想想, 为什么华工遭受不公平待遇? SURF中国的侨乡网站, 能发现许多原因:

1840年鸦片战争后,西方资本主义入侵,延续了两千年的封建社会崩溃,中国逐步沦为半封建半殖民地国家。清朝统治者腐败无能,对外签订了一系列不平等条约,对内加重剥削,使农民和手工业者纷纷破产。漳、泉人民大量出洋到东南亚及美洲当“契约华工”。所谓“契约华工” ,一种是指与外国资本家的代理人或华人工头订立契约,到海外出卖劳力,失去人身自由的中国苦力另一种是“赊欠单工”,即向工头借支出洋旅费,到达目的地后再以服役方式抵偿债务的劳工。正如诏安民间所说的“船租免出钱,契约抵八年”。
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华工到达目的地以后,被迫从事繁重劳动,所受奴役和剥削的残酷,实资本主义发展史上所罕见。这些华工,一般很难偿清契约的重债,在劳役期间所得的菲薄收入,顾主和工头还通过高价赊购日用品,设赌局、开烟馆等方法进行勒索和盘剥,直到血汗榨干,老死异邦。
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按照现代人的观点, 加拿大的人头税和排华法是可恶的法. 但是如果反过来说, 人头税和排华法是否阻止后来更多华人成为“契约华工”的悲惨命运?
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