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发表于 2004-5-11 21:49 | 只看该作者
I am also one of the landlords. One thing I don't understand your case--seemly your landlord is not a good landlord, why don't you move to some where else instead waste time to fight with him???

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我的房东每次都要求涨12-15$不等,但我来者都拒,其中有两次房东还大修了屋顶和后院围墙,可法官都是裁定涨幅在4$/月以内。去年还搞笑,涨1$,连那极富表演才能的走狗Janitor(就是那个为讨主子欢心,在房东老婆撒泼大嚷猛烈锤她家宝马车顶时,表演痛心疾首,当街连续用头猛撞木头电线杆的那位), 当他月头来收房租得知涨幅时,都忍不住伸舌头张嘴,背地里嘲笑房东。

我的最大得益是Rental Board的几次裁定降房租, 这是刺激房东导致行为怪异的直接原因。如果你们家或整栋楼有老鼠,蚂蚁,冬天低于21度,发了警告信后在你所说的时间内没有动静,就传真City Inspector,自己留照片取证据,然后去Rental Board 立案,要求降房租和赔偿。最好找个邻居答应到时候一起去,给你作证等。这样降的房租比涨的要多多了。估计每次都因为我有市政机关(City Inspector)的检查纪录,照片证据,以及证人,所以赢得较顺利。

个人经验,一个大约50岁,和蔼斯文的法裔男法官非常保护住户,去年1$就是他裁定的。期间他究出了多处房东忙里添乱的漏洞,弄得房东大胖子又是掏手帕擦汉,又是申请暂停去上厕所。法官自己都耸耸肩膀冲我们笑。当时我们1栋楼的4家住户一起被房东告了,所以我们人多。修庭时大家基本上都知道我们又赢了,只是我没料到赢得这么多。
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发表于 2004-5-11 23:40 | 只看该作者
我不同意楼下peterpan1668的说法,我们租住房子,主要考虑的是房子本身的情况和其他诸如环境,交通等便利,不能因为房东不好就搬家,搬完了再碰上一个恶房东怎么办?再搬吗?谁折腾的起。
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 楼主| 发表于 2004-5-12 00:28 | 只看该作者
当然是这个理呀!怎么会有人木制鱼头大脑袋,连这都想不通?
嗨,接着,送你一条大胖鱼,Stilo!说得好!

另外,还有一种乐趣你在哪里都体验不到,那就是看房东打输了后在楼底下大叫大嚷,扬言威胁楼里的房客们,捶胸顿足猛砸自己的宝马车顶,你则乐合合站在阳台上,然后看那极会做戏的中东人Janitor表演讨好主子的哈巴狗狂吠, 过瘾咧!

西方文化中的这句话极富威摄力:Please do govern yourself accordingly,
这句话翻译成中文为:请你检点你的行为,务必好自为之。该话在西方文化中为决斗前语,其隐含潜台词为: 否则....别怪我没有事先警告过!生死搏斗即将开幕,法庭之战无法避免。心虚理亏的中国房东见你这玩命的架式,一般就吓得屁股尿流了。

此语献给所有持强凌辱同胞的中国房东们,以自勉!(对不起,老外看不懂这字,只好献给....了,绝对无歧视之嫌疑)。 洁身自好,通情达理的房东们当然不在内了。
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发表于 2004-5-12 08:00 | 只看该作者
To Stylo & Rormard:

Please do not misunderstand my point. Don't think I am also one of the landlords, then I will stand here to against the tenants. There are some bad landlords and there are some bad tenants too since we are all living in this real world.

I also was tenant when I just arrive the first a few years. As an tenant, I also met some bad landlords in the past, which the worse one was the Korean--The Korean landlord sent us a letter to increase 30% from the rental we pay for each month, we refused and we told him we agreed to increase some, but not 30%. By then he filed a complaint to Rental Board try to kick us out. With YMCA Housing Legal Clinic support, the judge from the Rental Board warn him that: Keep the same rent without increase for whatever the tenant wish to continually rent this apartment because of the reason of discrimination.

But half year later, we still move out since we went Rental Board from contest was not just for money, most inportant was justice since he treated us very badly. Besides, for the long term if we already had bad relationship with landlord, how can we expecting landlord treat us equally? Then how much anergy we have to spend with him to keep fighten?

As I was a tenant, we also met some good landlords too--1991, we moved to Cote des Neidges area, one day, we found water leaking from upstaires to our walk-in clothset. We called landlord, he went to check and he let us brought all the clothes to the try cleaner store to clean each clothes, which costed $300.00 dollars; he paid bills, and he also appologized to us too.

Back to 1995, we bought a house, and we from tenant became a landlord--but as a landlord, we didn't make any money from the tenants since these tenants all knew how to take maxmum advantages from the rental law since the Rental Board and most community organizations are stand tenant side:

June 1995 when we took over the house, there was a tenant still remain in the house and he wish to continue rent the aprtment without increasing. We agreed with him although the time the avarage rental cost in this area was $850 per months which he was just paying $550 per month. One year late, he just renewed his lease, but he decided to move out remain $1,100 rental balence;

The second one moved in August 1996, we still keep the same rental and increased $10 per month from July 1997 since he broken the stove that I have to replace the new one for him. Went to the come increasing month of 1997, he told me that he has to move out since he got a job in Toronto--he left the certain damages in my house and he cutted my trees front and back yard without my permission.

After empatied a few months, then the Italy guy rented my house--he was okay from began, but a few months later he started having trouble to pay off his rent. I went to Rental Board many times try to solve off this problem especially he was using my house to sell trug to the street which brought attention from whole neighborhood, it was involved with media and police.

But with the weakness of the rental law, I have to spent a fortune to kick him out. Then one after the others, we all losing money with them since most of them tried their all knowledges to let me pay off all kind bills, done the repaires, gain free rent months for renovation reasons even we just done it resently.

I almost gave up with the house, then finally had a Greek family rented our house. I appreciated since seemly they are reasonable people who understand our point as we are the landlord. I treated them as part of my family, I aften cooked the food for them, also invited them dinning in the restaurant, then some time they also sent some food to us.

They requested to redo the renovation for the apartment even I just resently renovated. They claimed the way of renovation done was not professional, they want me cover for the materials and they will pay the labours since they are professional for construction.

I believed them, and I bought all the materials ans they requested, I even keep the same rent for them as 5 years ago which was $550 per month. But since I never done the renovate by my own, so I never realized that the materials they got from me even able to renovate 6 apartment!

More over, to the come year before three months, I mentioned to them the rental will increasing $10 per month since we did a lot of renovation in the apartment especially we just rebuilt up the whole roof for the house. They were complaining the mother is living on welfare, and the son just cut down the working hours since the company he was working for don't have enough jobs for its employees.

I undersandable and I told them we would try to help them, so the increasing would keep for two year after for $20 per month instead increasing $10 in this year. Supprisingly they both playing the game to make sure to pass the limitied notice of increasing period; then they both sent a letter to us to declare that it's too late to increasing in this year, which is too early to notice incresing for next year...

Furthermore, they went to Rental Board to claim their damages and they pretended we had a verbor agreement for three months free rent to cover their labours, which also suing $8,000 for emotional suffering cost! I never thought we will lost this case since I have all the prove for their nounsence claim. For the hearing date, I brought all the proofs to show from of the court; but the judge although realized the tenants ware playing a game; but since they all knew how to take advantages from the rental law, the judge still asked us to pay them $290 in order to let them move out from our house...

From that moment, I changed way to find my tenant, thanks God from that day up to today, I never get major problem with my tenants since I checked very carefully before sign a lease with them.

The reason I let youn both learn that, since you all Chinese same like me, and in some day propably you will be the landlord as same like one of us--Chinese landlord. By then you wouls look at these problems more nuturely, and more fairly.

One of importamnt thing I lik to say, as I am one of those Chinese Landlords, you know why I refused to become th president of Montreal Chinese Landlord Association instead I am putting my fully anergy to reform 华人互助联盟 Ucma, and I am spending lot of time to help the others from our Chinese society here, if you read the post of 华人互助联盟 Ucma, and read all the post poted by peterpan1668, you might undertand why.

Good luck for both of you build up new life in this country!

If you need any help and you might believe I or 华人互助联盟 Ucma able to support you, free free to contact us: [email="mutualaid@canada.com"]mutualaid@canada.com[/email] or phone 514 524-0780 ask for Peter. Here is website of 华人互助联盟 Ucma: www.ucma.netfirms.com

Rornard哇,楼下这位PetterPan可真比我还热心快肠呀,难得见到!如果华人圈里有四分之一的人都如此肯互助,那可就是没人敢欺负我们了!

stylo我不同意楼下peterpan1668的说法,我们租住房子,主要考虑的是房子本身的情况和其他诸如环境,交通等便利,不能因为房东不好就搬家,搬完了再碰上一个恶房东怎么办?再搬吗?谁折腾的起。
Post by Rornard
当然是这个理呀!怎么会有人木制鱼头大脑袋,连这都想不通?
嗨,接着,送你一条大胖鱼,Stilo!说得好!

另外,还有一种乐趣你在哪里都体验不到,那就是看房东打输了后在楼底下大叫大嚷,扬言威胁楼里的房客们,捶胸顿足猛砸自己的宝马车顶,你则乐合合站在阳台上,然后看那极会做戏的中东人Janitor表演讨好主子的哈巴狗狂吠, 过瘾咧!

西方文化中的这句话极富威摄力:Please do govern yourself accordingly,
这句话翻译成中文为:请你检点你的行为,务必好自为之。该话在西方文化中为决斗前语,其隐含潜台词为: 否则....别怪我没有事先警告过!生死搏斗即将开幕,法庭之战无法避免。心虚理亏的中国房东见你这玩命的架式,一般就吓得屁股尿流了。

此语献给所有持强凌辱同胞的中国房东们,以自勉!(对不起,老外看不懂这字,只好献给....了,绝对无歧视之嫌疑)。 洁身自好,通情达理的房东们当然不在内了。
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发表于 2004-5-13 16:43 | 只看该作者
这个讨论很有意思。我们从大陆来的华人,是会牺牲一西个人的生活质量,来换取房租相对便宜的。这是华人勤俭的美德。因为房子老,虫患较多,一般租客会搬离,大房东打赢关司,因为大高楼确实无虫患,维修和管理也很规范,所以租客打关司会输。我认为租屋委员会还是公平的。:cool:
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发表于 2004-6-6 19:18 | 只看该作者

up..............................

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发表于 2004-8-23 16:47 | 只看该作者
up up up up up
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发表于 2004-12-26 17:27 | 只看该作者

向Rornard致敬

Rornard,好样的!感谢你为大家提供了这么好的信息和经验.希望国人从此不再是散沙
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发表于 2004-12-26 18:17 | 只看该作者
中国人永远是散沙, 胆小, 心眼多.

楼主是真牛比, 我对房东涨价就一个字:拒.

正在和房东打官司. 洋人没几个好东西, 欺软怕硬, 很大程度都是被中国菘人惯的.
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发表于 2004-12-26 19:45 | 只看该作者
跟着顶!!Rornard 做了个很好的榜样,值得我们学习!
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